Larssen
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I'm really curious to see what will happen with Russia when dictator Putin abdicates or dies. Fun times ahead.

I'm sure shahter will chime in to say Navalny was a piece of shit anyway. Then ever so slightly show concern for the state of Russia
uziq
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shahter has shown blatant disregard for all opposition figures, liberal journalists, critics, etc. for his entire time here.

then he wonders why russia is becoming fascistic.

but remember, capitalism is the worst!
uziq
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … -poisoning

where is shahter? i thought he was going to get back to us to refute all the belarus stuff as western propaganda? now this?

russia is true paradise.
Larssen
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Apparently the BBC considers Biden's latest speech a more important headline than the murder of political opposition in Russia. Interesting.
uziq
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doctor at the russian hospital suddenly changes his mind and says the top german medical team coming to his aid can't move him. locks himself in his office.

totally normal stuff from an open, free, accountable country.

i can almost guarantee that shahter's comments, if he even has any, will immediately pour scorn on navalny and talk about how he's a chump, a puppet, an irritating moron, has had this coming for years, isn't really influential and is too trivial to actually bother putin, etc etc ... his main response to the poisoning of skripal et al in salisbury was 'so what? fucking pathetic traitor. btw it wasn't putin/the state because skripal is too puny and unimportant'. lmao. then he laments that russia is on a fascist path!

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Larssen
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It's giving me some concern for the future. This year Russia has also started making new constitutional changes allowing Putin to stay in power until 2036. He'll be 83 by then. He already endorsed the change and I'm very doubtful he'll ever want to quit, after all power is addictive especially to personalities like his.

Russia is pretty much run like a mexican drug cartel. Chances are we'll experience another rather chaotic shift in Russia's governance when I'm in my 40s or early 50s. Fun times ahead...
uziq
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yeah, putin won't give up power unless it's to an appointed/anointed puppet. there's too many bodies under the floorboards. it wouldn't surprise me if he is the richest man on earth, if all of his looting and pilfering were to come to light.

the russian people seem utterly docile, cynical beyond all measure; or they're lost in communist-revival fantasies and stalin idol worship like shahter. a seriously out-of-joint country lost in some sort of historical twisted nether dream realm.
Shahter
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i think they have just agreed to let them move the fucktard, so... meh.

he's a chump, a puppet, an irritating moron, has had this coming for years, isn't really influential and is too trivial to actually bother putin
yeah, that's about right. he's a puppet on the western payroll, no serious person doubts that here. he's been caught so many times with his hands in so many jars, that it's not really a question anymore.

poisoning of skripal et al in salisbury was 'so what? fucking pathetic traitor. btw it wasn't putin/the state because skripal is too puny and unimportant'.
i never said it wasn't putin/russia. i only said that i haven't seen enough evidence to seriously consider it was.

then he laments that russia is on a fascist path
he doesn't just lament that^. brasilia is on a fascist path. usa is on a fascist path. china looks like it may also be. eu is... well... we'll see. the particular problem in russia, as opposed to other places which seem to be on a fascist path to me, is that there's no visible recognition among the people of what's happening - as much as i hate to admit it, that's just so. in the west there's at least hope - and also, a fair chunk of economic power to at least try something.
but then again, russia does look fucked, but unscrupulous bastards like navalny are just as much a part of the problem as everybody else.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
uziq
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the guy who criticises the oligarchs (a good number of whom live in london), and who is in a coma ... but he's also on the western payroll? complicated picture!

several intelligence agencies from multiple countries pointed the skripal case in one direction. you just chose to dismiss all the evidence. 'haven't seen enough', lol.

well done at least for recognising that your stupid attitude is enabling putin and a whole bunch of apathy/docility in your dumb peasant people. you were better off under the tsars.
Shahter
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uziq wrote:

the guy who criticises the oligarchs (a good number of whom live in london), and who is in a coma ... but he's also on the western payroll?
yes. multiple instances of him and members of his crew meeting with their western curators were caught on tape. literally, going in's and out's of the embassy's, private dinners and stuff like that.

several intelligence agencies from multiple countries pointed the skripal case in one direction. you just chose to dismiss all the evidence. 'haven't seen enough', lol.
bellingcat? an intelligence agency? lol indeed.

well done at least for recognising that your stupid attitude is enabling putin and a whole bunch of apathy/docility in your dumb peasant people. you were better off under the tsars.
my attitude doesn't enable anything. capitalism moves towards its logical endgame - the fascism. no one can do shit about that atm, only prepare. the problem is that too few of my fellow russins recognize the problem, not that fuckers like navalny are getting poisoned in the process.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Larssen
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China never really was on any other path than dictatorial reign. Brazil is indeed a shitshow. But those handful of examples don't somehow show a global pattern indicating that Russia's situation is in any way normal or just part of the times - which is what you're insinuating. Seems to me you're finding reasons to just sit and hold tight. However deep your country may slide, you'll just watch and argue it was all going to shit anyway.

I applaud the momentary lucidity you're showing here in saying that Russia is in dire straits and that people are in denial. But Shahter, if strong-arming and slandering any critic of the Kremlin seems part of Putin's day-to-day business, is it any surprise you're heading into dictatorship? How easy is it for them to label anyone that opposes the status quo as 'a western puppet'? And you'll all believe it too...

Then as a last move, after thoroughly discrediting the opposition, the critics end up mysteriously dead or poisoned. There's 'accidents', outright murders, either radioactive traces or in some recent cases no traces at all. And you all sit there thinking 'oh well, didn't like them anyway'.
Shahter
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Larssen wrote:

China never really was on any other path than dictatorial reign. Brazil is indeed a shitshow. But those handful of examples don't somehow show a global pattern indicating that Russia's situation is in any way normal or just part of the times - which is what you're insinuating.
substitute trump and his crew for putin and his. see much difference? i don't.
capitalism only ends in one of two ways - fascism or a socialist revolution. see much socialism around the world? i don't.

Seems to me you're finding reasons to just sit and hold tight. However deep your country may slide, you'll just watch and argue it was all going to shit anyway.
i'm not a revolutionary. my health is shit, and my economic situation is worse. i can post some e-letters here though, so there.

I applaud the momentary lucidity you're showing here in saying that Russia is in dire straits and that people are in denial. But Shahter, if strong-arming and slandering any critic of the Kremlin seems part of Putin's day-to-day business, is it any surprise you're heading into dictatorship?
every political and social system based on on economic classes - aka "state" - is a dictatorship of the ruling class. russia is no different in that regard from any other capitalist nation.

How easy is it for them to label anyone that opposes the status quo as 'a western puppet'?
i dunno. how easy it is to fabricate a video of the fuckers going in and out of usa embassy?

Then as a last move, after thoroughly discrediting the opposition, the critics end up mysteriously dead or poisoned. There's 'accidents', outright murders, either radioactive traces or in some recent cases no traces at all. And you all sit there thinking 'oh well, didn't like them anyway'.
trumps, putins, clintons, bidens - whoever you have there - they may poison however many of each other's puppets they want. good riddance as far as i'm concerned.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Larssen
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I see a difference in the strength of the bureaucracy and the state. While Trump is a piece of shit and US democracy damaged, many, many of his plans have been blocked by parliamentary powers and the law. Trump is in that sense a wannabe dictator - he has all the personal traits, but totally lacks the absolute power, hindered by the system around him and not shrewd enough to manipulate it.

You must recognise that your cynicism has been the product of at least the last 20 years. Incidentally, 20 years ago is when Putin stepped into office. I don't think he ever was the shining light he purpoted himself to be, always the sly ex-KGB man, who exceedingly carefully and systematically turned Russia into his bitch. A large part of that process is influencing public opinion. And now see the modern day Russian - beaten down, overly cynical, sees conspiracy and greed anywhere and everywhere, but above all scornful of the West. It's a generation of mindgames. While the state never really democratised or achieved separation of powers, Putin has always made sure to deflect to the real monster: the West. Leaving his people peer over the western border while slowly but surely rot eats its way through the Russian people and their homes.

I wonder if there's any way to purely domestically organise opposition against Putin - considering all elections and all the money is in his hands. Anyone who isn't his ally no longer lives in Russia.

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Dilbert_X
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Larssen wrote:

It's giving me some concern for the future. This year Russia has also started making new constitutional changes allowing Putin to stay in power until 2036. He'll be 83 by then. He already endorsed the change and I'm very doubtful he'll ever want to quit, after all power is addictive especially to personalities like his.

Russia is pretty much run like a mexican drug cartel. Chances are we'll experience another rather chaotic shift in Russia's governance when I'm in my 40s or early 50s. Fun times ahead...
Despots always hand over to someone more despotic, unstable and less competent, in the hope history judges them better than the person who follows them I guess.
That is the really dangerous period, when the second nut is in charge until he's ousted.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
uziq
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … ys-germany

russian doctors: perhaps he has some heretofore undiagnosed metabolic condition which causes excruciating pain and coma.
german doctors: he has probably been poisoned.

In a statement, Berlin’s Charité hospital said Navanly had fallen ill because of contamination from a cholinesterase inhibitor, adding that the specific substance was not known and analysis was ongoing.
strange tea you have in russia!

the kremlin: we wish him well! we wish everyone who has died in mysterious circumstances, been poisoned, or found rare radioactive substances in their body the rudest of health!

now comes the phase of 'plausible deniability', in which shahter demands to know, really, now, why would putin want to bother doing this ... navalvy is small fry, a little bitch, nothing more ... maybe it was the americans or the germans who poisoned him, to frame putin? by the way, i just don't understand why the russian people are going in the wrong direction all the time ... this mentality really confuses me ...

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uziq
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … -poisoning

russia rules out an inquiry into navalny poisoning.

russian state media are reporting that he consumed an 'energy drink' prior to collapsing.

ah, yes, that commonly observed phenomenon of people falling into comas after drinking red bull!
unnamednewbie13
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I drank a tall Monster a week ago to help with a boring drive. Chills.
uziq
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so the germans have now officially identified navalnvy's poisoning by novichok. same as the spies in salisbury.

here's where shahter explains to us that, not only are the UK intelligence services lying, so are the germans.

everyone is lying!
Shahter
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uziq wrote:

everyone is lying!
yep. especially when there are contested markets involved.
cue more sanctions against north stream 2.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
uziq
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hahahahah
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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we already discussed this to death.
no, they would not poison navalny, who's continuously portrayed in the west as putin's "opponent", with the same shit that the same west accuses him of poisoning scripals with. russian capitalist elite is many things, but insane they are not.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
uziq
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so who took novichok to siberia to kill navalny? the british?
Shahter
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i dunno. he may not have been poisoned with what you call "novichok" at all.
this time, however, it happened in russia, so they might actually dig something up.
regardless, the chances of this issue being reported truthfully is pretty much zilch. all one can do is speculate. who'd profit from this, what do you think?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Larssen
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Fuck sakes man how can you NOT see the connection between the state of your country and your consistent denial of government responsibility in outright murdering critics of any sort.

Different hospitals and forensics teams in different countries have now concluded the use of Novichok in attempted assassinations. In the UK security cam footage even filmed & confirmed that a russian dude put it on a doorhandle.

Only state actors have developed and accessed novichok. It's complicated stuff that has military applications and was developed to be undetectable by NATO standards. It's specifically designed for assassination. There are many different compound variations.

You tell me who's poisoning ex intelligence officers and fucking political figures who all happen to be Russian or connected to Russia & anti government movements. If your answer is anyone but the FSB: YOU ARE BLIND

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uziq
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Shahter wrote:

i dunno. he may not have been poisoned with what you call "novichok" at all.
this time, however, it happened in russia, so they might actually dig something up.
regardless, the chances of this issue being reported truthfully is pretty much zilch. all one can do is speculate. who'd profit from this, what do you think?
who would benefit from one of the main opposition figures dying? lol are you fucking kidding me bro? are you playing 3d chess or something?

maybe it wasn't novichok and the hospital staff and western intelligence services are lying. but why? the news story i linked above already stated that he was poisoned with a substance belonging to the same class as novichok. the fact he's still alive and might survive -- like the skripals -- suggest that they have correctly identified the substance responsible. because, you know, it's pretty fucking hard to treat someone if you don't understand the mechanism of their life-threatening sickness. maybe the doctors are lying too?

aaaah where does it end!

all truth is impossible under capitalism!

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