BF2S Forums Race relations thread

HollisHurlbut wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

That "so what" and "I don't care" paints a rather conclusive looking picture in terms of callous disregard and disconnect from the public.

What a lost cause.

Oh, please.  The "so what" is in response to your constant attempts to inject irrelevant points.  The "I don't care" simply refers to my level of giving-a-shit about being some kind of official BF2S use-of-force commentator.

You're really stretching here.

hollis wrote:

I brought up the taser not being "significant" to illustrate their use, along side other less-lethal weapons, against Americans not even involved in a crime the past few weeks. That it's a bit much to present that as a "and that's why he was shot" without expecting a few raised eyebrows.

I don't care about your eyebrows.  Let me make this perfectly clear for you, in case the last three times weren't enough: what other people are doing a continent away has NOTHING AT ALL to do with whether or not shooting Brooks was reasonable.  What is it about that fact you don't understand?

"Look at me, I'm so aloof that you'll have to pay me to commentate."

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uziq wrote:

the real problem for me isn't with brooks, because yes, clearly as i said in my first post, he made some incredibly bad choices.

my problem is why those two chodes are even out on duty with guns in the first place. any department with rigour and standards would have relieved them ages ago. they had been involved in a court case and had multiple public reports/complaints before this incident. they were manifestly not fit for duty.

if you unnecessarily shoot a member of the public once, that should be the end of your front-line cop career, imho.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-06-22 06:40:54)

Larssen wrote:

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

Educated teachers is a barrier to entry what

Yes, of course. Do you really think it requires a masters degree to teach first grade math? Desirable? Sure. Required? Of course not. Same for requiring 1,000 hours of training to apply for a cosmetology license. Does it really require 25 weeks of training and the laying out of tens of thousands of dollars to learn how to give people a manicure? Occupational licensing is always a barrier to entry. Sometimes, it is desirable, as in the case of doctors, but most times it just protects the already landed.

Well US highschool education appears to be abominable in a number of places and provably so considering how idiotically you all are handling this pandemic. From clapping in front of the homes of RNs in the first few weeks to some people now more or less denying it exists because it's taking too long, to people not understanding even the fundamentals of what research is or what government decision making should look like (hint: informed) - what a chaotic fucking mess.

I don't know exactly what the system is in the states but I doubt a teacher would be responsible for educating only first grade. I'm of the opinion that a higher education degree of sorts should be mandatory precisely because you want at least basically qualified teachers. Let's not also forget that teachers are often asked to comment on other fields and have to go through a lot of interactions - they're not robots spitting out algebra instructions. You sift out a great deal of total idiots and people who suffer from dunning kruger by simply requiring a degree of sorts. It's one of the few guaranteed measures of competence you have.


As for the medical field - much of it has to do with educational capacity as well. Medical practitioners require much more intensive, face to face and 1 on 1 training time than any other profession. It's very expensive as well due to equipment costs and bodies to practice on etc. Classes are often limited in size so that instructors can keep up.

Larssen wrote:

How is anything in my second paragraph invalidated? It applies to any educational system anywhere. I know the first paragraph might hurt your feelings but let's not have that cloud our judgment now.

Last edited by Jay (2020-06-22 11:06:17)

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

If your Atlanta friends really were so confused and distracted by their brass cleaning training that they forgot about the gunshot victim on the ground, they had no business being policemen in the first place.

Nothing in there is about you being a BF2S commentator.

Also, if you didn't care at all, you wouldn't be inserting yourself into this argumentation.

People are going to raise eyebrows at cops being violent, unpredictable, and inconsistent whether you care about their eyebrows or not, and regardless of how much you beat your chest about your so-called facts. We're in a problematic situation right now because of it (great timing in the middle of a pandemic too).

"Look at me, I'm so aloof that you'll have to pay me to commentate."

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barf

Last edited by HollisHurlbut (2020-06-22 13:22:51)

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

How is anything in my second paragraph invalidated? It applies to any educational system anywhere. I know the first paragraph might hurt your feelings but let's not have that cloud our judgment now.

If someone is a fourth grade teacher, they teach fourth graders all day. If someone is a 6th grade history teacher, they teach 6th grade history all day, with the same textbook and the same lesson plan, all day. Odds are good they will teach the same subject and the same grade level for the duration of their career. They're not asked to go outside their competency, and no one is asking them their opinion. It requires about the same level of competency as running a mule team. They spend roughly 75-90% of their time trying to overcome stubborn obstinacy and stupidity, and the rest actually getting work done.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

How many kids have you taught to read?

3, you?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

That's not what I meant by boot camp style. I am talking more about the culture and environment. From what I understand it is a meat head locker room environment. I am not saying the thing needs to be like college but perhaps it should be more of an academic learning environment than an U.S. Army boot camp. We can't really be surprised when cops have an urban commando mindset when we use the same training system we train infantry for.

I keep making comparisons between my teacher training and certification and police stuff. It seems like police have built up a system that encourages a certain personality type while also discouraging more thoughtful people. And the results show.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

3, you?

All of your kids know how to read? Even the unborn one?

Oldest son and my two youngest brothers.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

That's not what I meant by boot camp style. I am talking more about the culture and environment. From what I understand it is a meat head locker room environment. I am not saying the thing needs to be like college but perhaps it should be more of an academic learning environment than an U.S. Army boot camp. We can't really be surprised when cops have an urban commando mindset when we use the same training system we train infantry for.

I keep making comparisons between my teacher training and certification and police stuff. It seems like police have built up a system that encourages a certain personality type while also discouraging more thoughtful people. And the results show.

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