Race relations thread

2020-06-04 10:51:40

#1676

uziq: Member; +520|3822

SuperJail Warden wrote:
There really shouldn't be thousands of U.S. troops in the capital at the moment. I mean I know our government institutions are strong enough to resist Trump using the troops against Congress or something but we shouldn't normalize having troops in the capital. The Romans who a lot of institutions are modeled after had a concept of a city line where soldiers were not permitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerium

trump just shoo'ed a priest out of his church and tear-gassed a neighbourhood so he could take a photo with a book he's never read.

i think any concept of 'sanctuary' is out the window.

2020-06-04 11:00:05

#1677

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +656|4089

Imagine he loses the 2020 election and then refuses to step down. What will the thousands of troops in the capital do? That'll be an interesting America season finale.

2020-06-04 11:14:03

#1678

uziq: Member; +520|3822

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … on/612640/

does jay hate mattis?

2020-06-04 11:39:08

#1679

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,745|7107|Cinncinatti

https://local12.com/news/local/butler-c … -any-cause
It's great having one of the few media loving sheriffs.

"I will kneel before God, but until then, I will not kneel for any cause."

2020-06-04 11:48:56

#1680

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +656|4089

RTHKI wrote:
https://local12.com/news/local/butler-county-sheriff-i-will-not-kneel-for-any-cause
It's great having one of the few media loving sheriffs.

"I will kneel before God, but until then, I will not kneel for any cause."

Beloved Ohio farmer carried to his final resting place by a John Deere tractor

2020-06-04 11:55:34

#1681

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,745|7107|Cinncinatti

Hey farmers gotta be computer savvy now to hack their John Deeres so they can work on them.

2020-06-04 12:02:32

#1682

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5728|London, England

uziq wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

does jay hate mattis?

He's mostly right, but it's not unprecedented. My dad was deployed to put down anti-war protesters in Washington DC in the early 70s while he was on active duty.

I would also argue that Obama made very little effort to unite the country. It's become nearly universal among politicians in this country to only care about their constituents, and by constituents I don't mean their city, county, state or country, I mean the very narrow sliver of people that fund their political campaigns and reliably vote for them. Almost no effort is made to actually govern, let alone unite, at any level. Identity group politics has thoroughly shredded American society. Now it's easier than ever to divide and conquer.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-06-04 12:15:36

#1683

Larssen: Member; +99|2257

It's not the democrats' fault republicans have gone off the deep end. With a president like Trump there is no argument to be had. Conspiracy theories, lies, anti-intellectualism and simply outrageous behaviour dominate in that party. How is it Obama's fault they caved to Breitbart and manipulative authoritarianism? I can follow the argument that it resulted from structural issues in the United States but Obama didn't at all strike me as a deeply unreasonable asshole. The fact that the rest of the world got along with him just fine should give you enough of a clue. The world didn't get along with the neocons, cheney & bush at the start of this century, Trump is several times worse.

2020-06-04 12:20:07

#1684

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5728|London, England

Larssen wrote:
It's not the democrats' fault republicans have gone off the deep end. With a president like Trump there is no argument to be had. Conspiracy theories, lies, anti-intellectualism and simply outrageous behaviour dominate in that party. How is it Obama's fault they caved to Breitbart and manipulative authoritarianism? I can follow the argument that it resulted from structural issues in the United States but Obama didn't at all strike me as a deeply unreasonable asshole. The fact that the rest of the world got along with him just fine should give you enough of a clue. The world didn't get along with the neocons, cheney & bush at the start of this century, Trump is several times worse.

Ok

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-06-04 12:27:44

#1685

Larssen: Member; +99|2257

Contrast Obama's policy priorities and speeches with that of ANY republican candidate in the last 4 presidential election cycles and he's clearly better. America has deep issues with a large part of its population having a preference for candidates who 'tell it like it is', i.e. fucking morons, over people who can actually construe coherent sentences and arguments.

2020-06-04 12:32:20

#1686

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5728|London, England

Obama was a good speaker, no doubt about it. Gave a wonderful speech. The best. Talked a big game. I guess it worked on you, but it did nothing to unite our country.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-06-04 12:38:22

#1687

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5728|London, England

What is the German expression/concept that roughly translates to clean outward appearance but dirty on the inside?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-06-04 12:38:48

#1688

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +656|4089

Jay lives in National Review land where Obama is the worst president in history. The first president to win over 50% of the vote twice since Reagan was the most divisive president and did nothing to unify the country.

2020-06-04 12:40:00

#1689

Larssen: Member; +99|2257

It was his willingness to engage in debate, to see the other side, to empathise with the people on the other end of the table, that made him work for me. He was consensus-seeking, whereas the republicans tend to deliver 'world leaders' who wander into international politics like buffalo in a china shop. I imagine the modus operandi on a national level isn't much different.

Delivering good speeches is one of the most important facets to being a political leader. For every aspect of government they're supported by an army of advisors who are infinitely more informed and knowledgeable in their fields than the president. His job is simply to prioritise, manage, lead an effective team. There too the republicans have fallen woefully short under Bush and Trump. Everything they touched has turned to shit, from the patriot act to this orangutan wanting to quell protests by sending in the military, to not even touch on his handling of the pandemic.

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2020-06-04 12:49:15

#1690

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5728|London, England

Larssen wrote:
It was his willingness to engage in debate, to see the other side, to empathise with the people on the other end of the table, that made him work for me. He was consensus-seeking, whereas the republicans tend to deliver 'world leaders' who wander into international politics like buffalo in a china shop. I imagine the modus operandi on a national level isn't much different.

Delivering good speeches is one of the most important facets to being a political leader. For every aspect of government they're supported by an army of advisors who are infinitely more informed and knowledgeable in their fields than the president. His job is simply to prioritise, manage, lead an effective team. There too the republicans have fallen woefully short under Bush and Trump. Everything they touched has turned to shit, from the patriot act to this orangutan wanting to quell protests by sending in the military, to not even touch on his handling of the pandemic.

Ok, and you gave a nobel peace prize to a guy that turned 2 wars into 7, that bombed brown people every day of his presidency, that deported more people than any prior administration, that used his power as president to attempt to undermine and determine the election of his successor, who stood before the American people and told them that clinging to their guns and religion was wrong. The guy that unleashed the feminists and their kangaroo courts on college campuses. The guy that expanded the PATRIOT Act, domestic surveillance and killed two Americans without trial. The guy that oversaw domestic riots across the country and did nothing but mouth words about reforming cops. That guy?

Sure did deliver a very pretty speech though.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-06-04 14:15:12

#1691

uziq: Member; +520|3822

oh my god jay you are literally deluded.

obama is responsible for one thing, yes: being black. which has caused a huge backlash of reactionary fervour in american life.

nobody complained about 'feminist professors' and 'their kangaroo courts' (lmao) during the obama era. that's because they 'oppress' diddly squat.

and, yes, that monster who stood before the american people and expressed sympathy and humility after several different kindergartens were massacred. unlike trump, who hasn't expressed a single genuine human emotion over the deaths of 100,000 americans nor the murder of black people.

2020-06-04 14:18:25

#1692

uziq: Member; +520|3822

Jay wrote:
What is the German expression/concept that roughly translates to clean outward appearance but dirty on the inside?

american.

2020-06-04 15:24:26

#1693

uziq: Member; +520|3822

another day in the world's best democracy.

https://twitter.com/lourdesgnavarro/sta … 2141064198

man assaults child in a bethesda park for putting up a sign in support of BLM.

2020-06-04 15:32:09

#1694

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +656|4089

uziq wrote:
another day in the world's best democracy.

https://twitter.com/lourdesgnavarro/sta … 2141064198

man assaults child in a bethesda park for putting up a sign in support of BLM.

I saw that on Reddit. Dude ruined his life assaulting a little girl.

2020-06-04 15:33:52

#1695

uziq: Member; +520|3822

what is it with all these 'rational' conservative types being so 'emotional' when faced with something as uncontroversial as anti-racism protestors?

this guy and his $4,000 bike are just as bad as that lady pepper spraying high-school tweens from her private plate lexus SUV.

2020-06-04 15:38:49

#1696

uziq: Member; +520|3822

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2f2a2fdb1847d2d22b14a006ec0e8e26122133f2/0_28_3472_2083/master/3472.jpg?width=1920&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=56e0204ea10322426b50389884ce9ab7

peaceful protestors tear gassed at the white house, on the orders of the attorney general, so the president could talk a photo-op walk with his senior military officials. to walk to a church (without permission from the bishop) and to pose with a bible.

try unpacking that one.

sounds like the ACLU are suing barr for using tear gas to break-up a peaceful protest.

2020-06-04 15:40:21

#1697

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +656|4089

The most uptight and argumentative people I have ever worked with are conservative/Republican. I am sure there are annoying social justice warriors in the wild but I have never met one in real life.

2020-06-04 15:42:30

#1698

uziq: Member; +520|3822

i can't take seriously any adult like jay who complains about feminists on college campuses. progressive radicals on campuses can be taken with a giant pinch of salt and tolerated very easily for what they are: 20 year olds who have read a few books and dyed their hair pink for a semester. grown adults getting upset about these people and complaining about the decline of civilisation are fucking hilarious.

and of course, they'd rather conveniently forget their own college-age infatuations which were just as fatuous and embarrassing. like, er, ayn rand.

2020-06-04 16:13:53

#1699

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|7054|United States of America

Jay wrote:
-*snip* article
https://www.theamericanconservative.com … k-decades/

Very odd that there's nothing about redlining that led to segregated neighborhoods or other systemic factors that have been to the detriment of the black community. Nothing about Indiana and Wisconsin's weak-ass gun laws. Also not a word about Jon Burge, the CPD black site, or Laquan McDonald that may possibly have contributed to friction between the police and the community.

Last edited by DesertFox- (2020-06-04 16:14:16)

2020-06-04 16:40:45

#1700

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,819|6476|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
I think they're finally coming around. Even Andrew Cuomo in his daily briefing today said "I have never seen cops so disrespected in my life"

Wait a minute, aren't you the guy who keeps whining about "muh taxes", how the police can vote themselves whatever pay and conditions they like and hold the state to ransom?
Also criticising MacEeyore for keeping a "Friends of the Cops" or whatever card in his wallet so he gets off tickets?
Now the police should get blind respect and obedience?

I can see cops pulling back and disengaging now. They did it to de blasio before and crime spiked. It will happen again.

Yeah, these guys really deserve blind respect.

I thought you hated public sector workers, if the police don't like their lot shouldn't they just resign and take their wide range of in demand skills elsewhere?

But again, is there a lot of point in arguing with you when you have no fixed ideology and just parrot today's latest post from angrywhitetaxpayerswhosewiveswontlethtembuyanar15.com ?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-06-04 16:42:14)

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