Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-06 09:11:17)
south korea have had 255 deaths from covid-19 during the entire pandemic. if you want to compare london to south korea, go ahead. but please stop making out NZ is some aberration in the data. it isn't.Larssen wrote:
I would imagine control in London is more complicated than in Wellington. I'm not saying it can't happen, but SK would be a more comparable case study considering population density and movement of people.
Last edited by uziq (2020-05-06 09:12:48)
Every virus has a season. There's a cold season too. These things tend to weaken when the weather turns warmer.uziq wrote:
yes but, you know jay, covid-19 isn't flu. it doesn't have a 'season', none that we have established, anyway. we do not know if it will be seasonal. even so, we can at least expect it to come back and resurge as much in the autumn/winter of this same year as it did in january/february. see what i mean when i point to problems with comparing it with flu?
multiple active strains of a virus are bad news, regardless. it means more vaccination work is required, and opens people up to reinfection.
no every virus does not have a season. does polio have a season?Jay wrote:
Every virus has a season. There's a cold season too. These things tend to weaken when the weather turns warmer.uziq wrote:
yes but, you know jay, covid-19 isn't flu. it doesn't have a 'season', none that we have established, anyway. we do not know if it will be seasonal. even so, we can at least expect it to come back and resurge as much in the autumn/winter of this same year as it did in january/february. see what i mean when i point to problems with comparing it with flu?
multiple active strains of a virus are bad news, regardless. it means more vaccination work is required, and opens people up to reinfection.
You keep talking like you're an expert, but you really know jack shit. Just stop.
Last edited by uziq (2020-05-06 09:16:17)
Is this polio now? Stop. Please, just stop.uziq wrote:
no every virus does not have a season. does polio have a season?Jay wrote:
Every virus has a season. There's a cold season too. These things tend to weaken when the weather turns warmer.uziq wrote:
yes but, you know jay, covid-19 isn't flu. it doesn't have a 'season', none that we have established, anyway. we do not know if it will be seasonal. even so, we can at least expect it to come back and resurge as much in the autumn/winter of this same year as it did in january/february. see what i mean when i point to problems with comparing it with flu?
multiple active strains of a virus are bad news, regardless. it means more vaccination work is required, and opens people up to reinfection.
You keep talking like you're an expert, but you really know jack shit. Just stop.
is it flu?Jay wrote:
Is this polio now? Stop. Please, just stop.uziq wrote:
no every virus does not have a season. does polio have a season?Jay wrote:
Every virus has a season. There's a cold season too. These things tend to weaken when the weather turns warmer.
You keep talking like you're an expert, but you really know jack shit. Just stop.
It's an upper respiratory infection. Most people develop cold or flu-like symptoms, severe cases devolve into pneumonia. It's more similar to the flu than it is to any other virus you could name.uziq wrote:
is it flu?Jay wrote:
Is this polio now? Stop. Please, just stop.uziq wrote:
no every virus does not have a season. does polio have a season?
Last edited by coke (2020-05-06 09:21:51)
Some years are worse than others. 100,000 would indeed be a bad year, but they're not numbers that are outside of historical norms. We seem to get something this bad once a decade.coke wrote:
Going back to 2010, according to the CDC the highest confirmed number was 51,000. 2017-18 was estimated at 61k.
And whilst the last decade isn't the broadest set of data to be working with, I would say that 100,000 is actually very abnormal and the average of 50,000 is more like less than 40,000.
cases don't 'devolve' for a start, mr. expert.Jay wrote:
It's an upper respiratory infection. Most people develop cold or flu-like symptoms, severe cases devolve into pneumonia. It's more similar to the flu than it is to any other virus you could name.uziq wrote:
is it flu?Jay wrote:
Is this polio now? Stop. Please, just stop.
Last edited by uziq (2020-05-06 09:26:36)
I am not saying NZ is an abberation just that there's better case studies because of NZ's particular context. Which doesn't mean it's a positive comparison; all of western Europe did a terrible job next to SK, but that's a good opportunity for learning.uziq wrote:
south korea have had 255 deaths from covid-19 during the entire pandemic. if you want to compare london to south korea, go ahead. but please stop making out NZ is some aberration in the data. it isn't.Larssen wrote:
I would imagine control in London is more complicated than in Wellington. I'm not saying it can't happen, but SK would be a more comparable case study considering population density and movement of people.
Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-06 09:26:42)
I guess time will tell, eh?uziq wrote:
cases don't 'devolve' for a start, mr. expert.Jay wrote:
It's an upper respiratory infection. Most people develop cold or flu-like symptoms, severe cases devolve into pneumonia. It's more similar to the flu than it is to any other virus you could name.uziq wrote:
is it flu?
similarity of human symptoms and immune reaction is NOT the same as similarity in viral structure, viral transmission, or viral hardiness. why does this need to be explained to you? jesus christ. do you have any idea what an enormous range of microbes stimulate an inflammatory response in the lungs?
we already know, for example, that covid-19 is hardy enough to remain on surfaces for hours, if not days. flu does not do that. without moisture in the air, it dies off quickly. covid-19? we don't know.
want to know how we have a good idea that covid-19 isn't as seasonal as flu, jay? because the hemispheres have different seasons. when it's winter in the north hemisphere, it's summer somewhere else! amazing, isn't it? covid-19 has gone global and case are taking off in russia, brazil, and sub-tropical SE asia. if it's a seasonal virus that is easily put off by increased sunlight and/or lower moisture, it sure isn't showing it.
Well as I said it massively outside the norm for the past decade...Jay wrote:
Some years are worse than others. 100,000 would indeed be a bad year, but they're not numbers that are outside of historical norms. We seem to get something this bad once a decade.coke wrote:
Going back to 2010, according to the CDC the highest confirmed number was 51,000. 2017-18 was estimated at 61k.
And whilst the last decade isn't the broadest set of data to be working with, I would say that 100,000 is actually very abnormal and the average of 50,000 is more like less than 40,000.
we shouldn't try to do anything about malaria. mankind has been dying in droves every year from it since the beginning of time.Larssen wrote:
We survived the black death we'll survive coronavirus!
Because I disagree with you? Because I belittle you for your beliefs? Because you come across as a soft bureaucrat with little real world experience? You came here writing long diatribes that were mildly interesting only because they tended to make uzi pause, and that was amusing.Larssen wrote:
I have come to know Jay is of limited intellectual ability.
You cowed larssen by writing one post about how he's from provincial Belgium and thus a racist and small minded and you won. He hasn't bothered you since because you managed to get under his skin and found the one thing that actually threatened his self image. You try to do this to everyone. It's why you had so many sycophants back in the day.uziq wrote:
i flamed people, i can take a flaming. i don't know why you cast yourself in the role of 'divine retributor' when you threaten to kick my ass. it makes you look like an utter idiot.
those discussions were also a whole lot of shooting the shit and amusement over games. we are discussing covid-19 here now, discussing facts and real-world events. how is the history of bf2s even relevant? why would larssen, or anyone else, even give the faintest care?
you make some very bizarre posts.
