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uziq
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complete non-story, the mac pro tower has always been exorbitantly expensive and only bought by industry/businesses and written off as tax deductibles. in other news, herman miller chairs are expensive.

you forgot to mention the $1,000 monitor stand for their industry-standard reference monitor.
unnamednewbie13
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I didn't exactly present this information as if it were some grand revelation. Just that next to it, the laptops are refreshingly cheap. The video you posted went on at some length about the pricing, as do many other reviews.

e: At a point where it's still well within my budget to pick one up sometime this year even on top of slapping replacement MB/CPU/RAM in my PC tower. Separating gaming from my work devices is an attractive prospect for me.

e2: Spent awhile fiddling around with one on display at Best Buy today. Responsive, clean. Smooth operating for Final Cut. Best trackpad I've used so far. Good keyboard. Garbage acoustics in the store, so I didn't bother listening, but I'll trust the feedback I've read. The biggest detraction for me is the lack of a built-in numberpad, but given an option I would still take the speakers.

Am jelly.
SuperJail Warden
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I am not familiar with the tech behind 5G but I have been following the news about the U.S. pressuring countries to not contract Chinese companies to build it.

My question is: are there U.S. companies that can build 5G networks? Why are the Chinese getting contracted to build these networks instead of U.S. or Europeans? Why doesn't America have 5G yet? I have heard places in China already have it.
RTHKI
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Places here have it.
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
uziq
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china is just years ahead because they have been ploughing fantastically huge amounts of money into R&D.
KEN-JENNINGS
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I believe South Korea was first to market with a general rollout of 5G.

China (and South Korea) are ahead bc their governments prioritized the technology and rollout. Innovation is often not driven by market forces, unfortunate as it may be to some worldviews.
uziq
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does anyone seriously think any major tech investment hasn’t been state funded? i mean almost every device we use in our homes has some military R&D stamp somewhere.
Dilbert_X
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Intel, IBM, Apple, Bell Labs, STC, Corning have largely been commercially funded. That covers most tech and telecoms development.
Invention of the IC did not come from the space program.

You can assume pretty well anything which comes out of China is govt controlled.

Nation-scale rollouts will usually be govt funded obviously. Cell-phone networks typically weren't though in many countries.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-02-22 04:35:06)

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uziq
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pretty much all of those companies were established on the back of state projects. silicon valley was originally full of government warehouses making transistors, no?
Dilbert_X
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Erm no.
Epstein didn't kill himself
SuperJail Warden
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A new Windows 10 update is bricking computers. Apparently it is screwing up some motherboard drivers. Good stuff.
uziq
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my windows desktop is 11 years old. they can do their worst. it'll be like shooting an old farm-dog out of mercy at this point.
SuperJail Warden
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What are your specs? How does it actually run? A lot of older PCs are holding up really well as long as you don't try to max out modern games. You can even play modern games on decade old hardware if you are okay with low quality graphics.
unnamednewbie13
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

A new Windows 10 update is bricking computers. Apparently it is screwing up some motherboard drivers. Good stuff.
Gut feeling about this sort of thing for awhile now. I already had to reinstall Windows 10 over December due to driver issues. Some of the USB ports are still offline.

I do wish that Windows was a little more flexible on drivers intended for Vista 7 and 8 considering all the hardware people have that is well past manufacturer-designated end of life for driver development. I suspect that to fully restore my (relatively young compared to a lot of other PCs in my circle of friends/family) old computer to a 100% state, I'd have to install Windows 7, get all the drivers up to date for that OS, then graduate it to 10 and hope another update doesn't cascade it into blue screen limbo.

And this is a desktop. You'd have to pay me to use another Windows laptop and add those driver issues on top of things. MacBook Pro, if I go portable.
Dilbert_X
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Win 10 upgrade hasn't failed as yet.....

Managed to get my Win 10 PC talking to my XP box in my shed over the wireless connection.
Not sure if this has exposed me to a host of vulnerabilities.
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SuperJail Warden
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Can't you set up a firewall to keep the XP box from getting on the internet but still use wifi to talk to the Win 10 machine?
Dilbert_X
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XP Box has a firewall and Norton, I do use the internet in my shed.
Epstein didn't kill himself
SuperJail Warden
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Get a $15 SSD and install Linux
Dilbert_X
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Apparently SMB 1.0 is really bad, I don't really want my main PC vulnerable thanks to that, maybe I'll just use a memory stick - like a savage.

https://cifs.com/who_can_speak_what.jpg

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-03-11 17:51:41)

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unnamednewbie13
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I thought SMB 1 was pretty good packed with Duck Hunt and all, but people seem to look back most fondly on SMB 3.
SuperJail Warden
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According to the news: AMD dropped support for Crossfire. Nvidia is slowly phasing out SLI. I think that says a lot about the graphics card market. The price gouging made multi GPU technology absolutely unfeasible for average consumers.
unnamednewbie13
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The whole dual card for gaming was earlier pushed as "buy one now, then buy a second later when they're cheap." Thing is, they never really got cheap, and it was better to just move to the next generation. I don't think most of the gaming market would really miss SLI/Crossfire. You'd hope that means they could drop future video card prices because of a feature drop, but that's probably a pipe dream.
SuperJail Warden
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The cards would eventually get cheaper but by the time they did they were genuinely obsolete unlike modern cards today. I think a bigger problem was power requirements. You needed a beast of a PSU and it didn't make sense to have a 800w PSU because you might get a second card eventually maybe. And if you are going to buy a new PSU for a second card, you might as well just buy the next generation card.
unnamednewbie13
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"OK, so I'll buy a 5x0 now, and then a second 5x0 a couple years later when they're cheap." A couple years later, it's still not cheap. Exasperatingly, some cards got even more expensive with age. Anyway, replaced it with a 7x0.

My PSU could cover for SLI, but it's never had to. It's the sort that would need adapters to fit the pinout though.
uziq
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it's finally happened. i've priced up a mid-range gaming pc. if bars and clubs are going for 3 months at least, i can put my booze and snus budget towards something else. and better to do it now before global supplies start getting patchy.

we should all play a game together for the next 6 months during our mandatory isolation.

Last edited by uziq (2020-03-16 17:18:32)

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