BF2S Forums United States War in Iraq -- Can We Afford to Lose?

really not sure what j. edgar hoover has to do with, well, anything. we're not living in the cold war anymore with red scares. a far more relevant and germane thing to mention is the patriot act and post-9/11 homeland security, which represents a far bigger erosion of civil liberties and rights than anything hoover pushed through.

why is it interesting that the most useful tool is a video camera? the UK has far more closed-circuit cameras than the US -- are we a police state?

sorry, posting on my phone and assumed it was hoover from your police state talk. though my point still stands completely unaddressed.

We shouldn't go to war with Iran and won't. It would be a really bad thing for America and the region. I wish we did though. It would be super interesting to watch on television, Twitter, and YouTube.

I am being serious. Www.Reddit.com/r/combatfootage

Think of all of the new content to watch.

There wouldn't be a BF2 without the Iraq War.

A ground war with Iran is improbable, if Trump could he'd nuke them.

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There was a video compilation of combat footage I saw recently that was almost exclusively US troops getting shot/blown up. The crowd of people who would normally be all "GET SOME!" were noticeably upset seeing their side taking hits. There's even less appetite for taking losses in a war now.

It I always eye rolling whenever someone post a picture of a buff American special forces guy who got KIA'd smiling into the camera. The comments are always about what an absolute warrior he was blah blah blah instead of the foolishness of wasting your good looks and physical talents on a failed war you had no business being a part of.

Every volunteer in the military is one less person, such as yourself, to be drafted. Instead of badmouthing servicemen, how about instead think "Oh gee, there is less chance of me being drafted thanks to him volunteering, thanks pal"?

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I know that is sarcasm, but don't need to call them heroes.

kurdish fighters have been taking the most flak trying to contain and fight ISIS. a lot of their fighters are women. they are explicitly anti-radical islam. what the fuck is your problem, macbeth? are you just into it because you like getting off to war footage on reddit or liveleak or whatever?

it’s an absolute disgrace that america just gave turkey the nod after years of supporting the kurds. and for what? a new trump hotel. it’s so depraved.

suicide bombing became a thing in islam since the ayatollah explicitly framed it as a valid thing to do. before then to kill yourself was a massive sin in islam, which it remains in christianity.

let’s not hold the IRA up as saints because they didn’t suicide bomb places. they tried to assassinate a prime minister and killed plenty of people. catholic fundamentalists are perfectly capable of violence when it suits their ends. the very doctrine of ‘the ends justify the means’ is a piece of catholic jesuit theology. your cute little comparisons are very tiresome.

the kurds are equivalent to the uighurs or the palestinians. either you understand that oppressed people against vastly asymmetrical foes have to use dog tactics, where all other diplomacy and appeals to politics have failed, or you don’t. fair enough if you have an absolute pacifist principle. but the fact you delight in a bunch of rebel fighters getting bombed to oblivion out of the skies suggests you’re not quite a saintly non-violent person.

the kurds wanted to establish a tiny homeland in their place of origin, and not be ruled over like some minority status group in the ottoman empire. they’re not at risk of flooding europe with refugees or poisoning your beautiful white christian stock. honestly i can see no reason why you’d applaud this as good strategy. if anything they were containing the clusterfuck that is ISIS/syria. more so than the turks ever have, who have been playing a game of double-think geopolitics over the whole conflict.

trump just cut loose a key ally in the region who were holding 10,000 radical ISIS fighters as prisoners. the fallout is going to be huge and long-standing. and for what? because erdogan approved a hotel. please get off the pope’s dick and see how obscene the situation is.

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you have a very confusing grasp of what NATO is for. ditto afghanistan. obliterating ethnic minorities and subjugating republics is not its mission statement.

you'll be thrilled to know that graphic video footage of this is everywhere, macb..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ … ervers-say

Turkish-backed proxies leading a ground offensive on Kurdish-held border towns in north-eastern Syria have killed nine civilians including a female politician, a human rights monitor has claimed.

The civilians were executed on a highway after being taken for their cars by Turkish-backed militias who had crossed the border as the push into Syria deepened. The killings were captured on camera phones and the gruesome scenes have raised the spectre of ethnic bloodletting emerging five days into the Turkish offensive. Ankara’s proxies are Syrian Arabs from elsewhere in the country and their foes are Kurdish with long ties to the territory.

“The nine civilians were executed at different moments south of the town of Tal Abyad,” the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights claimed.

A Kurdish political leader, Hevrin Khalaf, and her driver were among those killed on Saturday, according to Kurdish forces. Handheld videos shot by the assassins widely distributed on the internet also show several people being repeatedly shot by the verge of a road. Their killers are heard to shout insults as they fire their military weapons at them. US officials have suggested the footage is authentic.

dropping an ally and letting a bunch of syrian rebels summarily execute the political leaders of their minorities ... stay classy, america.



what an immense own goal by letting 'pro-turkey' syrian proxies ethnically cleanse the kurds. you're now funding wahhabism/ISIL nut jobs rather than propping up the bulwark against them.

The proxies are Syrian former rebels who had fought against the regime of the country’s president, Bashar al-Assad. before being co-opted early last year to fight Kurdish group’s in the north-western town of Afrin. Some of the rebel factions among the Turkish alliance had previously been supported by the US and Qatar in the early years of the Syrian war.

But as the war morphed into a series of intertwined conflicts and the Syrian opposition steadily disintegrated, rebel alliances shifted. The Arabs now leading the fighting have received widespread training and support from Turkey.

not that trump cares -- his latest hotel should be full of bookings by now. it'll be interesting to see how it pans out with all the freed ISIS prisoners running around the region, or, worse, to go underground again and reorganise.

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