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SuperJail Warden wrote:

European Protestant churches are tied to the states correct? Major difference from "anyone can open a church" American Protestantism.

The fuck? Did you buy  that degree in a supermarket? There's no way you were taught history and skipped the reformation.

Macbeth playing the role of conservative catholic on this board is priceless. Next he's going to start railing against Vatican II.

what? denmark and norway are two of the least populated countries in northern europe, and are very far on the peripheries of political, economic, and cultural power. to claim that northern europe is characterised by state-aligned protestant churches is ignorant in the extreme. there are 6 million people in denmark, 62.9% of whom identify as protestant. there are about 5 million people in norway, 70% of whom identify as lutheran. how are you gonna say that swings 'half of northern europe' into state-aligned protestant religion? VERY fucking hot take, macbeth. belgium alone has about as many catholics as those countries have protestants.

you'd think when discussing northern europe and protestantism that you'd pay most attention to germany, you know, the birth-place of the reformation and the main power in northern europe by an order of magnitude. a country of 83 million people, not 6 million protestants in denmark and norway.

as i said in my original post, the only really explicitly political protestant church in europe was the church of england, aka anglicanism, which is now one of the mildest and least worshipful/observant religions in the world. most fucking british people are classed as 'church of england' on their birth certificate and only ever trouble a church for baptisms, weddings and funerals. it is basically secular christianity and not at all comparable to american protestant churches with active congregations.

Last edited by uziq (2019-09-16 08:06:13)

People like Larssen who say "have you read a book" or "is your degree fake" when displaying on base level knowledge of something is annoying. I bet if we went back to 2007 he would be one of the posters unironically saying "Islam is a religion of Peace".

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

European Protestant churches are tied to the states correct? Major difference from "anyone can open a church" American Protestantism.

The fuck? Did you buy  that degree in a supermarket? There's no way you were taught history and skipped the reformation.

Aren't you European?

The Protestant countries very often set up official state churches and chose their denomination of Christianity as the official state religion. Only in the last 50ish years have state churches gotten their Independence. I learned this during the history degree I got at a super market.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Sweden
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangel … of_Finland

That is on top of the churches of England, Denmark, and Norway still being a part of the state.

Yes, you are right about the church of England. It's only on birth certificates, an important family event when you are born, an important family event when you die, an important family event when you chose a life partner, part of your government, and you pay taxes to it. It hardly exist otherwise

And I'll respond again with 'read a book' because you seem completely oblivious as to what the reformation and protestantism were all about. The separation of church and state was invented in the writings of martin luther and codified into law in almost all (if not all) predominantly protestant countries. Where there is a 'national church' you will see that the powers and authority of the clergy and the monarchy or whatever authority there was are separated, sometimes very strictly. Much of the conflict at the time was over the notion that religious and political figures should not cross over into eachother's domain, as in catholic Europe you'd see bishops and cardinals hold formal political power alongside their religious duties and vice versa. Moreover, while there is a formalised church and christianity remained the state religion in some nations, the very concept of protestantism demanded a significant reduction in power over religious matters on the part of the clergy as well. All latin texts were translated into local language, people were encourged to learn to read and to study the bible themselves rather than simply sit and listen to the sermons of the priests.

Oh, and the fighting over all of this started and ended some of the worst wars Europe has seen (esp. the 30 years war) all culminating in the peace of westphalia, producing some of the most important legal texts in history that remain relevant today.

I'll let you in on a little secret: I actually know these things because I hold an undergraduate in history and a postgrad in the history of international relations. So yah, read a book. Going by everything you've written I'll say that whatever degree you may hold it sure as shit isn't in history.

Last edited by Larssen (2019-09-16 09:43:09)

where is the widespread demand for the word christmas to be banned? this is literally tabloid cant and indignation, not reality. get fucking real. just because some fringe campaigning organisation makes a plea for something, doesn't mean there's an international conspiracy to strip western civilisation of christmas. most muslims and jews living in the west could not give a toss. you are being dishonest.

and i'm sure the majority of campaigning and school regulation rewriting in that vein comes from over-zealous and 'on message' white christian liberals.

Last edited by uziq (2019-09-16 10:15:54)

Y'all getting trolled hard

you're pathetic

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Is it any surprise that the CEO of the company that refuses to put a Christmas tree on a cup of Jewish?

https://www.shautolease.nl/2019-starbuc … -cups.html

Nobody in their right mind would have a hard time identifying Christmas-sy designs on these cups. This far-reaching Christmas tree controversy is just another fake complaint in the fake war on Christmas championed by trolls and the unfortunates who take them seriously. Christmas infests so many months commercially it's not even funny. I'm already seeing displays and it's not even October yet. Can't you just tell that Christmas is losing?

I thought the plain red cups with the company logo were far less tacky than something that looked like wrapping paper. Seems a weird thing for people to focus on when the coffee itself is average at best.

Oh man I remember those Windows 98 programs where you can design cards and stuff.

How many people died in the Holocaust? 6 million Jews or 11 million Jews, German citizens, and Eastern Europeans?

There is a movement to recognize the Holocaust as belonging to just the Jews. What do you think?

i used to publish books for yad vashem. boy do i have some stories ... but i won't tell.

i think people are aware that the holocaust involved many more groups than the jews. europeans certainly haven't forgotten it.