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uziq
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are we really talking about how cities are to blame for right-wing populism? you guys do realise the entire discipline of sociology was founded on this – very elementary – critique of urban living in the second industrial revolution? read some durkheim on anomie or simmel.

heaven forbid you discover marx/engels and their theories of alienation!

Last edited by uziq (2019-08-08 16:17:39)

Dilbert_X
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With all these great theories and academic and political effort behind them its amazing none of them work in practice isn't it?
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

don’t confuse the refugee crisis with multiculturalism. most people electing right-wing nationalists into power in europe are working-class people who got sold down the river by the banking-european elites with their austerity. africans and arabs crossing the med are not the cause of their problems.
Yes, I'm sure the average member of the working class understands that its quantitative easing and the tax/spend ratio which affects them most, and aren't at all bothered by alien races and cultures invading their home town and committing crimes in their community.

"Yeah, thanks for giving me and my family refuge from probable death, now I'm going to "f*** things up"."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … peaks.html

"Yeah, thanks for giving me and my family refuge from probable death, now I'm going to rob you blind."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-29/ … t/10176954
People don't like it.

you’ll note that dilbert lives in arguably the most multicultural country in the world. arguably one of the healthiest and best-functioning democracies in terms of equality and social mobility. a country built by irish, english, greeks, vietnamese, chinese, etc. if multiculturalism is a woo act foisted on people by elites, why is it working so well there?
Because you're very familiar with Australia aren't you?

Australia and Australians expect immigrants to adopt Australian values. Anecdotally I know an Italian who named his sons Kevin and Eddy so they would fit in better, and the Cronulla riots are an example of the average Australian not tolerating 'multiculturalism' when it conflicts with Australian values.

The past government was elected on a platform of taking control of refugees, the current government was elected on a platform of cutting immigration and clamping down on boorish behaviour by immigrants by deporting them where possible.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict … 0efa8.html
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/irrationall … tern-world
People do like this.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2019-08-08 23:28:05)

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KEN-JENNINGS
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Jay wrote:

I'm not going to parse this out because it's a pain to do on a phone.

You point to cities not being new, but they are. Up until the late 1800s anything taller than maybe 2 or 3 stories was a skyscraper. We're denser than ever and have more interactions on a daily basis.

TODO: FIX GAL IMAGES

I know that the push is for urbanization and the eradication of suburban sprawl but cities are fucking awful for mental health.
Urbanization means tall skyscrapers.
Larssen
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Jay wrote:

I'm not going to parse this out because it's a pain to do on a phone.

You point to cities not being new, but they are. Up until the late 1800s anything taller than maybe 2 or 3 stories was a skyscraper. We're denser than ever and have more interactions on a daily basis.

TODO: FIX GAL IMAGES

I know that the push is for urbanization and the eradication of suburban sprawl but cities are fucking awful for mental health.
Our social interactions didn't change because we have more people living in cities. Ancient Rome is estimated to have been home to over a million, Constantinople boasted at least 600k at its height, Vienna was a major metropolitan centre in its prime Thousands of years earlier the cities of Mesopotamia weren't exactly tiny either.

Our interactions have changed because of the factors I mentioned before. There's others you can add to that list, but not simply the growth of cities & the population.

Last edited by Larssen (2019-08-10 06:31:40)

Dilbert_X
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Dilbert wrote:

It hasn't worked and has not been accepted, hence we have Trump elected in America in a 'surprise' result, Brexit being the 'surprise' popular choice in the UK, and conservatives achieving a 'surprise' election result in Australia.
Those are all English speaking Protestant nations. Right wing and populist parties took control in a lot of other European and industrialized countries but without putting the most unqualified person (senile Donald Trump) in office or blowing up their political system (Brexit). English speaking countries seem unique in the fact that their citizens are willing to knowingly hurt themselves in order to stick it to cultural enemies.
I wonder if its coincidence that all three 'populist' outcomes are delivering tax cuts for the rich?
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SuperJail Warden
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Recessions are inevitable. I just hope the one coming up happens closer to the election than now. But even if it does, Trump would still get like 40% of the vote and enough states to win because "we need a businessman to fix the economy".

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