unnamednewbie13
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Poking around for a silver lining here. Hopefully more than just a few Republicans in power still despise Trump and will make cooperation between branches of government even more difficult.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5328|London, England
Many will say Trump won because he successfully capitalized on blue collar workers' anxieties about immigration and globalization. Others will say he won because America rejected a deeply unpopular alternative. Still others will say the country is simply racist to its core.

But there's another major piece of the puzzle, and it would be a profound mistake to overlook it. Overlooking it was largely the problem, in the first place.

Trump won because of a cultural issue that flies under the radar and remains stubbornly difficult to define, but is nevertheless hugely important to a great number of Americans: political correctness.

More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness.

I have tried to call attention to this issue for years. I have warned that political correctness actually is a problem on college campuses, where the far-left has gained institutional power and used it to punish people for saying or thinking the wrong thing. And ever since Donald Trump became a serious threat to win the GOP presidential primaries, I have warned that a lot of people, both on campus and off it, were furious about political-correctness-run-amok—so furious that they would give power to any man who stood in opposition to it.

I have watched this play out on campus after campus. I have watched dissident student groups invite Milo Yiannopoulos to speak—not because they particularly agree with his views, but because he denounces censorship and undermines political correctness. I have watched students cheer his theatrics, his insulting behavior, and his narcissism solely because the enforcers of campus goodthink are outraged by it. It's not about his ideas, or policies. It's not even about him. It's about vengeance for social oppression.

Trump has done to America what Yiannopoulos did to campus. This is a view Yiannopoulos shares. When I spoke with him about Trump's success months ago, he told me, "Nobody votes for Trump or likes Trump on the basis of policy positions. That's a misunderstanding of what the Trump phenomenon is."

He described Trump as "an icon of irreverent resistance to political correctness." Correctly, I might add.

What is political correctness? It's notoriously hard to define. I recently appeared on a panel with CNN's Sally Kohn, who described political correctness as being polite and having good manners. That's fine—it can mean different things to different people. I like manners. I like being polite. That's not what I'm talking about.

The segment of the electorate who flocked to Trump because he positioned himself as "an icon of irreverent resistance to political correctness" think it means this: smug, entitled, elitist, privileged leftists jumping down the throats of ordinary folks who aren't up-to-date on the latest requirements of progressive society.

Example: A lot of people think there are only two genders—boy and girl. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe they should change that view. Maybe it's insensitive to the trans community. Maybe it even flies in the face of modern social psychology. But people think it. Political correctness is the social force that holds them in contempt for that, or punishes them outright.

If you're a leftist reading this, you probably think that's stupid. You probably can't understand why someone would get so bent out of shape about being told their words are hurtful. You probably think it's not a big deal and these people need to get over themselves. Who's the delicate snowflake now, huh? you're probably thinking. I'm telling you: your failure to acknowledge this miscalculation and adjust your approach has delivered the country to Trump.

There's a related problem: the boy-who-cried-wolf situation. I was happy to see a few liberals, like Bill Maher, owning up to it. Maher admitted during a recent show that he was wrong to treat George Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain like they were apocalyptic threats to the nation: it robbed him of the ability to treat Trump more seriously. The left said McCain was a racist supported by racists, it said Romney was a racist supported by racists, but when an actually racist Republican came along—and racists cheered him—it had lost its ability to credibly make that accusation.

This is akin to the political-correctness-run-amok problem: both are examples of the left's horrible over-reach during the Obama years. The leftist drive to enforce a progressive social vision was relentless, and it happened too fast. I don't say this because I'm opposed to that vision—like most members of the under-30 crowd, I have no problem with gender neutral pronouns—I say this because it inspired a backlash that gave us Trump.

My liberal critics rolled their eyes when I complained about political correctness. I hope they see things a little more clearly now. The left sorted everyone into identity groups and then told the people in the poorly-educated-white-male identity group that that's the only bad one. It mocked the members of this group mercilessly. It punished them for not being woke enough. It called them racists. It said their video games were sexist. It deployed Lena Dunham to tell them how horrible they were. Lena Dunham!

I warned that political-correctness-run-amok and liberal overreach would lead to a counter-revolution if unchecked. That counter-revolution just happened.

There is a cost to depriving people of the freedom (in both the legal and social senses) to speak their mind. The presidency just went to the guy whose main qualification, according to his supporters, is that he isn't afraid to speak his.
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Good take
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SuperJail Warden
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the west coast and north east are still the best parts of the country.
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uziq
Member
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reason.com

good take: not really. too caught up in trading one ideology for another, playground slinging, tit-for-tat. the guy just compares and contrasts values. people don't really exclusively vote based on differing opinions – not in this scale, anyway. the analysis is weak and self-satisfied. decrying 'political correctness' is such a boorish and trite complaint. and it's about 10 years old. trust you to be smug about it.

the alt-right and that yannis guy are essentially reddit trolls. they are maladjusted adolescents who still haven't been out in the real world, let alone experienced the 'oppression' of political correctness. they're shut-in teenagers who think quoting memes is still funny, and use politics as a grandiose battleground to field their own personal anxieties and shortcomings. don't make out it was some grand gesture because people are finally sick of the shackles of political oppression. the alt-right is a bunch of dweebs who mixed conspiracy theories with nerd rage.

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Cybargs
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stock market is up big today.
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Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6445|Foothills of S. Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Where did the 10 million Obama voters go?
They're sitting on their asses on their porch complaining.
I figured they couldn't raise that many dead a second time.
Trotskygrad
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So the policy positions are out

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205

* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator

* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately

* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama

* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States

* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

1. Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

2. End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.

3. American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.

4. School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

5. Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

6. Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.

7. End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

8. Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.

9. Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values

10. Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.

On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.

This is my pledge to you.

And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.
uziq
Member
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get rid of obamacare if you want but please don't fucking drink the koolaid with climate change denial.

kind regards,
the rest of the world

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13rin
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Since last night, I read the last 20 pages or so.  Interesting takes on it all, foreign and domestic.  Thank you all for the perspectives. Bf2s never disappoints.
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Cybargs
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They're actually not bad policies.

It would be nice if cancelling UN money would equate to better environmental protection in the USA.
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Trotskygrad
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Cybargs wrote:

They're actually not bad policies.

It would be nice if cancelling UN money would equate to better environmental protection in the USA.
pipelines? nothx

"all energy" is bullshit.

Choose your education? lmao okay, way to reduce the US's global competitiveness

3 to 7 tax brackets is just a tax cut for the rich (read: over 90k a year)
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5328|London, England

uziq wrote:

get rid of obamacare if you want but please don't fucking drink the koolaid with climate change denial.

kind regards,
the rest of the world
Agreed, but the climate change push was hijacked a long time ago by welfare enthusiats. Most climate change 'denial' is a rejection of the wealth transfer schemes rather than of science. Like, his stuff on clean coal is nonsense and just a sop to coal country. Our utilities very happily junked their old inefficient coal steam plants for new on-demand gas fired plants. Gas is cheap, plentiful and provides instantaneous reaction to spikes in demand. It also has the happy side effect of more than halving emissions. They're also not going to roll back CAFE standards. Renewables subsidies are likely dead though.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5328|London, England

Trotskygrad wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

They're actually not bad policies.

It would be nice if cancelling UN money would equate to better environmental protection in the USA.
pipelines? nothx

"all energy" is bullshit.

Choose your education? lmao okay, way to reduce the US's global competitiveness

3 to 7 tax brackets is just a tax cut for the rich (read: over 90k a year)
Personally I would very much like to keep more of my money. His plan will increase our velocity towards bankruptcy though.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
pirana6
Go Cougs!
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Busy first day.



Goodbye environment. We hardly knew ye. Dont worry though, a couple million people will have $1,000 extra per year to spend on minor home upgrades.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+682|6261|Washington St.
Also,
(A) 1-6: Good luck getting those through congress... I very harsh welcome to politics is waiting for him.
That being said, I'm on board with them, just good luck with it all...
Cybargs
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Trotskygrad wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

They're actually not bad policies.

It would be nice if cancelling UN money would equate to better environmental protection in the USA.
pipelines? nothx

"all energy" is bullshit.

Choose your education? lmao okay, way to reduce the US's global competitiveness

3 to 7 tax brackets is just a tax cut for the rich (read: over 90k a year)
no pipeline = how do you think the oil gets moved? guess those trains and trucks are more reliable right.
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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I will be optimistic and give Trump a chance. Hillary was never going to win two terms. 2020 can be a new start.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6745|Moscow, Russia

Trotskygrad wrote:

So the policy positions are out
'ere be policies
not much on foreign policy, apart from labeling China a currency manipulator, which is a total pot-kettle thing, and withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which just puts the last nail in the coffin of an already dead endeavor.

i guess we'll just wait and see.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+794|6655|United States of America
It's frankly disgusting how Guiliani and others have called for unity (read: submission) in the wake of the election saying that it's over and the president-elect should have the lead. That president-elect and his ilk spent the better part of a decade attempting to delegitimize the election of Obama with myths that persist to this day amongst the echo-chamber followers. Fuck him and all the other spineless Republicans without a shred of decency.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5149|Sydney
7. End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall;
This is like me building a wall on my own property and telling my neighbour they have to pay for it. And my neighbour then laughing and telling me to get fucked. And then me having to pay for my own wall. So dumb.

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uziq
Member
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can't really imagine how they'll leverage those funds
Trotskygrad
бля
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Cybargs wrote:

no pipeline = how do you think the oil gets moved? guess those trains and trucks are more reliable right.
money that could go to building renewables or nukes
Trotskygrad
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Shahter wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

So the policy positions are out
'ere be policies
not much on foreign policy, apart from labeling China a currency manipulator, which is a total pot-kettle thing, and withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which just puts the last nail in the coffin of an already dead endeavor.

i guess we'll just wait and see.
I just hope they deban 7N6
AussieReaper
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Cybargs wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

There's plenty of retards that have no clue whats going on.

The rest of us wonder whats going to happen when a VERY conservative judge gets into the SC.

Or how much roll-backing a republican house/senate/potus are going to do. People keep saying 8 years, why not go back 50 years? There's plenty of conservative issues they've been waiting to undo but haven't had the opportunity.
I doubt Roe v Wade or Gay Marriage is ever going to be overturned by SCOTUS.
What about a GOP controlled House, Senate, President and SCOTUS?

They can push through whatever bills they want now.
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pirana6
Go Cougs!
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They need more than a few of the conservative house and senate members to go against what they normally vote for. Not EVERY republican wants roe v wade turned. Not everyone one believes in full-fledged Pro-life. Have 100% house/senate/potus/scotus? yeah then we have an issue.
Plus there's always filibustering.


November 9, 2016 at 9:47 am
By Garrison Keillor, Special to The Washington Post

So he won. The nation takes a deep breath. Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out and a severely learning-disabled
man with a real character problem will be president. We are so exhausted from thinking about this election, millions
of people will take up leaf-raking and garage cleaning with intense pleasure. We liberal elitists are wrecks. The
Trumpers had a whale of a good time, waving their signs, jeering at the media, beating up protesters, chanting “Lock
her up” — we elitists just stood and clapped. Nobody chanted “Stronger Together.” It just doesn’t chant.

The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that’s their problem now. They only wanted to
whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple
six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving
us wild with dismay — by “us,” I mean librarians, children’s authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, birdwatchers,
people who make their own pasta, opera goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch.
The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly
how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth.

Alas for the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone
else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones and they will not like what happens next.

To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working class’ displacement and loss of the
American Dream, I say, “Feh!” — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for bald-faced stupidity.
America is still the land where the waitress’ kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians,
but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given
talents and the kids aren’t plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and
ignorance does less than nothing for your kids.

We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear. The government is in Republican hands. Let them deal with him.
Democrats can spend four years raising heirloom tomatoes, meditating, reading Jane Austen, traveling around the
country, tasting artisan beers, and let the Republicans build the wall and carry on the trade war with China and
deport the undocumented and deal with opioids and we Democrats can go for a long brisk walk and smell the roses.

I like Republicans. I used to spend Sunday afternoons with a bunch of them, drinking Scotch and soda and trying to
care about NFL football. It was fun. I tried to think like them. (Life is what you make it. People are people. When
the going gets tough, tough noogies.) But I came back to liberal elitism.

Don’t be cruel. Elvis said it and it’s true. We all experienced cruelty back in our playground days, boys who beat up
on the timid, girls who made fun of the homely and naive, and most of us, to our shame, went along with it, afraid to
defend the victims lest we become one of them. But by your 20s, you should be done with cruelty. Mr. Trump was the
cruelest candidate since George Wallace. How he won on fear and bile is for political pathologists to study. The
country is already tired of his noise, even his own voters. He is likely to become the most intensely disliked
president since Hoover. His children will carry the burden of his name. He will never be happy in his own skin. But
the damage he will do to our country — who knows? His supporters voted for change, and boy, are they going to get it.

Back to real life. I went up to my hometown the other day and ran into my gym teacher, Stan Nelson, looking good at
96. He commanded a landing craft at Normandy on June 6, 1944, and never said a word about it back then, just made us
do chin-ups whether we wanted to or not. I saw my biology teacher Lyle Bradley, a Marine pilot in the Korean War,
still going birdwatching in his 90s. I was not a good student then, but I am studying both of them now. They have seen
it all and are still optimistic. The past year of politics has taught us absolutely nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. The
future is scary. Let the uneducated have their day. I am now going to pay more attention to teachers.

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