It is truly a miracle that we ever built an interstate highway system here. Could have saved so much money for job creators.Dilbert_X wrote:
Hard luck, only socialist countries have useful things which take forward planning for the common benefit like that.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Was thinking how cool it would be if we had bullet trains in the U.S.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperloopDilbert_X wrote:
Hard luck, only socialist countries have useful things which take forward planning for the common benefit like that.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Was thinking how cool it would be if we had bullet trains in the U.S.
That was copied from Nazi Germany and a spillover from WW2 socialist central planning.SuperJail Warden wrote:
It is truly a miracle that we ever built an interstate highway system here. Could have saved so much money for job creators.Dilbert_X wrote:
Hard luck, only socialist countries have useful things which take forward planning for the common benefit like that.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Was thinking how cool it would be if we had bullet trains in the U.S.
A short hop single-point to single-point line is totally comparable with a mational network.Jay wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
The plan is to connect Los Angeles to Chicago and New YorkDilbert_X wrote:
That was copied from Nazi Germany and a spillover from WW2 socialist central planning.SuperJail Warden wrote:
It is truly a miracle that we ever built an interstate highway system here. Could have saved so much money for job creators.Dilbert_X wrote:
Hard luck, only socialist countries have useful things which take forward planning for the common benefit like that.A short hop single-point to single-point line is totally comparable with a mational network.Jay wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
That fucking fascist copied US! He knew we had a good thing going and couldn't come up with anything new for himself.Dilbert_X wrote:
That was copied from Nazi Germany and a spillover from WW2 socialist central planning.SuperJail Warden wrote:
It is truly a miracle that we ever built an interstate highway system here. Could have saved so much money for job creators.Dilbert_X wrote:
Hard luck, only socialist countries have useful things which take forward planning for the common benefit like that.
Is it in danger now? Those preorders look pretty healthy: http://www.teslamodel3fan.com/pre-order/SuperJail Warden wrote:
Elon Musk needs to prevent Tesla from going bankrupt before he can tackle public transportation.
I mean, I agree with most of this, but I think the thing that Tesla will always have on its side is having been first-to-market (or perceived to be). I doubt they're ever going to be more than a rather niche luxury brand that sells more than 100,000 cars a year. You're right in saying that GM, Ford, Toyota, or one of the other big manufacturers is going to dwarf their scale and importance.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Tesla has been losing money for the last 3 years. The value of its stock keeps dropping. They keep missing deadlines for their vehicles and those pre-orders are just down payments for cars that aren't going to be produced until the end of 2017.
The reason I am so skeptical of Tesla is that they need to do a lot of expanding to keep afloat before another company comes out with an electric vehicle that catches on with the public at a nice price. Tesla produced 125,000 cars in the last 8 years. 60 million cars were produced in 2011 and the number is rising every year. They don't have the productive capability to beat a big brand like BMW or Toyota if those groups decided to go big with electric vehicles. Toyota made 9 million cars last year alone. Chevy sold 100,000 plug in hybrid volts in a shorter time frame.
And there is more to being a brand than just making and selling the cars. They need to have places that service, and maintain their cars on top of just selling them. That means they need to buy buildings, equipment, and train people to know how to work on their cars. That takes a tremendous amount of money and time.
I don't see how they can do this with their stock dropping and them losing money every year.
do not recommend
The stock is at $214 compared to it's peak of $280 last July. It cratered to $151 in February.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I thought the year end stock prices for Tesla have been increasing all this time. I've read things like the WSJ whine article about crowded charging stations that referenced super-busy locations like ones exploited by cab companies, but everyone I've talked to said they're really not that bad in general.
Why would crowded charging stations even be a bad sign? I'd be more worried for Tesla if nobody was using them. I'm a cheapskate when it comes to buying vehicles though, so I won't be going for a $35,000 Model 3 "priced for the masses" any time soon.
Their share is on the 'inflated' scale when you compare to other car companies.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Tesla has been losing money for the last 3 years. The value of its stock keeps dropping. They keep missing deadlines for their vehicles and those pre-orders are just down payments for cars that aren't going to be produced until the end of 2017.
The reason I am so skeptical of Tesla is that they need to do a lot of expanding to keep afloat before another company comes out with an electric vehicle that catches on with the public at a nice price. Tesla produced 125,000 cars in the last 8 years. 60 million cars were produced in 2011 and the number is rising every year. They don't have the productive capability to beat a big brand like BMW or Toyota if those groups decided to go big with electric vehicles. Toyota made 9 million cars last year alone. Chevy sold 100,000 plug in hybrid volts in a shorter time frame.
And there is more to being a brand than just making and selling the cars. They need to have places that service, and maintain their cars on top of just selling them. That means they need to buy buildings, equipment, and train people to know how to work on their cars. That takes a tremendous amount of money and time.
I don't see how they can do this with their stock dropping and them losing money every year.
do not recommend
Their value and amount of attention they get is the thing on the inflated scale. They aren't even in the top 30 car makers in the world. A Russian brand put out 5 times as many cars last year than Tesla has ever made in total.Cybargs wrote:
Their share is on the 'inflated' scale when you compare to other car companies.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Tesla has been losing money for the last 3 years. The value of its stock keeps dropping. They keep missing deadlines for their vehicles and those pre-orders are just down payments for cars that aren't going to be produced until the end of 2017.
The reason I am so skeptical of Tesla is that they need to do a lot of expanding to keep afloat before another company comes out with an electric vehicle that catches on with the public at a nice price. Tesla produced 125,000 cars in the last 8 years. 60 million cars were produced in 2011 and the number is rising every year. They don't have the productive capability to beat a big brand like BMW or Toyota if those groups decided to go big with electric vehicles. Toyota made 9 million cars last year alone. Chevy sold 100,000 plug in hybrid volts in a shorter time frame.
And there is more to being a brand than just making and selling the cars. They need to have places that service, and maintain their cars on top of just selling them. That means they need to buy buildings, equipment, and train people to know how to work on their cars. That takes a tremendous amount of money and time.
I don't see how they can do this with their stock dropping and them losing money every year.
do not recommend
Their stocks dipped in feb but now it's back up due to the tesla 3 announcement.
No other new car company has come out hitting heavy like Tesla. They played the smart game by selling high priced luxury vehicles first and THEN go cheap. Toyota fucked up on the hybrid with the prius when it was essentially sold at a lost.
They haven't produced any Tesla 3. THEY HAVE NOT MADE ANY TESLA 3s. They plan to start making them at the end of the 2017.They played the smart game by selling high priced luxury vehicles first and THEN go cheap.
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Are you trying to push the same point WSJ laughably was? Take the barest handful of extreme examples and bloat it into sensational doom & gloom?SuperJail Warden wrote:
The crowded charging station may be a sign of there being a lack of stations rather than there being too many cars. They have 10 stations in NJ. They are all single connector stations that belong to restaurants and hotels.
Do people kinda forget Tesla sells the charger thingos you can install in your house. For most day to day driving you really don't need to ever use a charging station.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Are you trying to push the same point WSJ laughably was? Take the barest handful of extreme examples and bloat it into sensational doom & gloom?SuperJail Warden wrote:
The crowded charging station may be a sign of there being a lack of stations rather than there being too many cars. They have 10 stations in NJ. They are all single connector stations that belong to restaurants and hotels.
So, did Tesla want a "Gigafactory" just so they could build a few hundred cars, or what?
That is one of the reasons I think your comment about Tesla targeting the lower market is funny. The Tesla 3 is already limited to people who own their homes or live in apartments with a garage. $35,000 isn't cheap either. You can get a lot of fun cars with that amount.Cybargs wrote:
Do people kinda forget Tesla sells the charger thingos you can install in your house. For most day to day driving you really don't need to ever use a charging station.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Are you trying to push the same point WSJ laughably was? Take the barest handful of extreme examples and bloat it into sensational doom & gloom?SuperJail Warden wrote:
The crowded charging station may be a sign of there being a lack of stations rather than there being too many cars. They have 10 stations in NJ. They are all single connector stations that belong to restaurants and hotels.
So, did Tesla want a "Gigafactory" just so they could build a few hundred cars, or what?
I think not so much as people used to short range vehicles being easily spooked into thinking they'll get stranded with either nowhere to charge or a long line for it.Cybargs wrote:
Do people kinda forget Tesla sells the charger thingos you can install in your house. For most day to day driving you really don't need to ever use a charging station.
You know Nissan sold 200,000 Leafs in a shorter amount of time than Tesla. 75,000 more than Tesla has even been able to produce. There are 1.2 million electric vehicles in the world most of them utility. Tesla isn't the only one investing.Dilbert_X wrote:
Being first to market is often painful.
Tesla have the advantage of being ahead of the competition in technology, and probably capacity in battery manufacture.
That and the cool factor, for about a decade people will want a Tesla just as they want an iPhone or BMW when there are better alternatives.
Who do I want to buy a car from, a guy who makes space rockets or some pinhead from Detroit?
I said lower end of the market, not the plebian market. 100k for a car and 35k for a car is a completely different price bracket. Tesla essentially wants to be squeezed into the market space of the german 3.SuperJail Warden wrote:
That is one of the reasons I think your comment about Tesla targeting the lower market is funny. The Tesla 3 is already limited to people who own their homes or live in apartments with a garage. $35,000 isn't cheap either. You can get a lot of fun cars with that amount.Cybargs wrote:
Do people kinda forget Tesla sells the charger thingos you can install in your house. For most day to day driving you really don't need to ever use a charging station.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Are you trying to push the same point WSJ laughably was? Take the barest handful of extreme examples and bloat it into sensational doom & gloom?
So, did Tesla want a "Gigafactory" just so they could build a few hundred cars, or what?
I like plug in hybrids a lot. Those are very practical.
Infiniti??Cybargs wrote:
Nissan isn't exactly trying to enter the luxury market now is it.
