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*Looks at Sanders and Hillary* fuck it, I give in. I'll accept Trump. Country is fucked anyway and at least he'll be entertaining to make up for sucking.

Last edited by War Man (2016-03-03 09:32:08)

pirana6 wrote:

I understand the idea, but I'd way rather Hillary and have "nothing" happen for the next 4 years than enter nuclear war with trump.

Did we go into a nuclear war with Bush? Come on, don't give me that nuclear war bullshit.

Trump is no George Bush. Just electing Trump sends the wrong message to the rest of the world. Bush was incompetent but he wasn't malevolent. I'm not being melodramatic when I say that Trump would make America less safe and influential by just being elected.

Jay wrote:

I'd vote for Trump just to see Obamacare go away

The White House on Thursday published a letter that Brent Brown, a Republican from Wisconsin, wrote to president Barack Obama in June.
Brown, who has voted Republican his entire life, wrote that he had been “very vocal” in his opposition to Obama—especially on healthcare.
That was before he got treatment for a serious autoimmune disease through the Affordable Care Act.

“I am so very sorry,” Brown writes. “Put simply to not take up too much of your time if you are in fact taking the time to read this: I would not be alive without access to care I received due to your law.”

http://qz.com/630806/thank-you-for-serv … -his-life/

Getting rid of the ACA would have real life consquances.

Jay, when you have your third obesity related heart attack, will you write a letter thanking the government for passing universal healthcare?

War Man wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

I understand the idea, but I'd way rather Hillary and have "nothing" happen for the next 4 years than enter nuclear war with trump.

Did we go into a nuclear war with Bush? Come on, don't give me that nuclear war bullshit.

Well not nucular but war, yes

DrunkFace wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

I'd vote for Trump just to see Obamacare go away

The White House on Thursday published a letter that Brent Brown, a Republican from Wisconsin, wrote to president Barack Obama in June.
Brown, who has voted Republican his entire life, wrote that he had been “very vocal” in his opposition to Obama—especially on healthcare.
That was before he got treatment for a serious autoimmune disease through the Affordable Care Act.

“I am so very sorry,” Brown writes. “Put simply to not take up too much of your time if you are in fact taking the time to read this: I would not be alive without access to care I received due to your law.”

http://qz.com/630806/thank-you-for-serv … -his-life/

Getting rid of the ACA would have real life consquances.

Jay, when you have your third obesity related heart attack, will you write a letter thanking the government for passing universal healthcare?

You don't have universal health care you have compulsory subsidised private insurance.

No shit. I obviously believe universal healthcare will come to the U.S. in the 16-20 years it will take Jay's obesity to catch up with him.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

I'd vote for Trump just to see Obamacare go away

The White House on Thursday published a letter that Brent Brown, a Republican from Wisconsin, wrote to president Barack Obama in June.
Brown, who has voted Republican his entire life, wrote that he had been “very vocal” in his opposition to Obama—especially on healthcare.
That was before he got treatment for a serious autoimmune disease through the Affordable Care Act.

“I am so very sorry,” Brown writes. “Put simply to not take up too much of your time if you are in fact taking the time to read this: I would not be alive without access to care I received due to your law.”

http://qz.com/630806/thank-you-for-serv … -his-life/

Getting rid of the ACA would have real life consquances.

Jay, when you have your third obesity related heart attack, will you write a letter thanking the government for passing universal healthcare?

I have insurance.

Once you're been reincarnated a few times maybe you'll remember not to eat so much.

Its how the free market works.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

No shit. I obviously believe universal healthcare will come to the U.S. in the 16-20 years it will take Jay's obesity to catch up with him.

Yeah? Are we going to nationalize all the hospitals and make all the doctors government employees?  Moron.

Who said anything about nationalizing every hospital? Have a federal government insurance plan available to everyone and introduce price controls. You don't have to take over hospitals and people can buy supplemental insurance.

Oh, so we create shortages just for fun and watch people die. I really wish you had taken an economics course. You come across as incredibly stupid when you advocate stuff like this.

We effectively have single payer health insurance right now. Every detail of the plans offered by the insurance companies is dictated to them by HHS. They simply get to collect a small bit of profit in exchange for being the bad guy in the system.

Seriously, go smoke a bong and feel the Bern or something and stop posting. Ktnxbai

DrunkFace wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

No shit. I obviously believe universal healthcare will come to the U.S. in the 16-20 years it will take Jay's obesity to catch up with him.

Yeah? Are we going to nationalize all the hospitals and make all the doctors government employees?  Moron.

That sounds like a good idea.

Ok

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

Yeah? Are we going to nationalize all the hospitals and make all the doctors government employees?  Moron.

Who said anything about nationalizing every hospital? Have a federal government insurance plan available to everyone and introduce price controls. You don't have to take over hospitals and people can buy supplemental insurance.

Oh, so we create shortages just for fun and watch people die. I really wish you had taken an economics course. You come across as incredibly stupid when you advocate stuff like this.

We effectively have single payer health insurance right now. Every detail of the plans offered by the insurance companies is dictated to them by HHS. They simply get to collect a small bit of profit in exchange for being the bad guy in the system.

Seriously, go smoke a bong and feel the Bern or something and stop posting. Ktnxbai

We already have healthcare shortages and people. If people want to get ahead of the line for services they can buy private insurance plans like they do in other countries with NHSs.

I have taken economic courses. From what I have learned, the advanced economies of the rest of the world have National Healthcare Services. Many of them with the exact same system I just described. I am sure your college courses at Naval school were better than the economic courses of the top schools in France, U.K. Austria, Japan etc. I'm sure you got some inside knowledge they don't.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

You know I think Jay has a point. In a NHS the healthy have to subsidize the sick and unhealthy. Why should I have to pick up the tab for Jay and his family's unhealthy choices? Their diabetes isn't going to be my fault.

You honestly believe your insurance premiums aren't increased to cover the unhealthy?

I suppose you could forfeit insurance totally... have fun with that.

Nothing would need to be nationalised, derp.

They could follow the theory you throw around for other industries - set up an NHS, pay globally competitive (ie much less than the US) salaries, let anyone from anywhere in the world have free entry to the US if they have a medical degree - shortage problem solved.

The medical industry is another example of how special interest groups manipulate the 'free market'. When you can restrict the available medical training, and restrict qualified people from entering the country then it is easy to bump your salary to $250k plus. This in an industry where its been shown time and again an expert system produces much better outcomes than a GP or consultant on $250k-$1m plus.
Anecdotally all the medical professionals I've dealt with have been lazy ignorant and useless, you're better off looking stuff up in a book and arranging tests yourself.