BF2S Forums EE Chats: New Testaments

Jay wrote:

Pocshy2.0 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I enjoy everyone's input. Take it to Debate and Series Talk Chat if you want a debate.

Nah, might run into Jay trying to flex over there. Better to stay in shallow waters.

His idea was stupid because everything he listed doesn't actually require college, but instead can be learned in trade schools.

pirana6 wrote:

singular people don't NEED a real classical college education. But society does, and in turn some singular people DO need it.

Last edited by uziq (2015-09-28 15:24:07)

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

Pocshy2.0 wrote:

Nah, might run into Jay trying to flex over there. Better to stay in shallow waters.

His idea was stupid because everything he listed doesn't actually require college, but instead can be learned in trade schools.

???

Do you really want a doctor that went to university of Phoenix technical medical school? A teacher that learned how to teach at ITT technical teaching college? Trade schools in the U.S. are scams. I worked with people straight out of trade schools they don't learn shit and pay tens of thousands of dollars for it.

I was thinking of getting a teaching job at ITT technical school. I am fucking qualified to be a teacher there.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

His idea was stupid because everything he listed doesn't actually require college, but instead can be learned in trade schools.

???

Do you really want a doctor that went to university of Phoenix technical medical school? A teacher that learned how to teach at ITT technical teaching college? Trade schools in the U.S. are scams. I worked with people straight out of trade schools they don't learn shit and pay tens of thousands of dollars for it.

I was thinking of getting a teaching job at ITT technical school. I am fucking qualified to be a teacher there.

No, not in their current form, but trade schools specializing in a single field is a totally viable idea. A school dedicated to training doctors and nurses outside of a traditional college environment? Sounds like a great idea. If all they want is to get to work they get to save the years of time they wasted in undergrad on classes they probably half-assed.

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

???

Do you really want a doctor that went to university of Phoenix technical medical school? A teacher that learned how to teach at ITT technical teaching college? Trade schools in the U.S. are scams. I worked with people straight out of trade schools they don't learn shit and pay tens of thousands of dollars for it.

I was thinking of getting a teaching job at ITT technical school. I am fucking qualified to be a teacher there.

No, not in their current form, but trade schools specializing in a single field is a totally viable idea. A school dedicated to training doctors and nurses outside of a traditional college environment? Sounds like a great idea. If all they want is to get to work they get to save the years of time they wasted in undergrad on classes they probably half-assed.

yeah i wouldn't exactly want to get treated by a doctor that went to a trade school.

you realize why med school is over 4 years + undergrad years right? the amount of theory involved is immense.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

med school has nothing on contract law though

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

med school has nothing on contract law though

falls under torts and criminal law m8

but can it solve the world's problems? Waiting patiently for a response under my desk with my tinfoil hat.  Please say it does!

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2015-09-29 03:23:55)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

singular people don't NEED a real classical college education. But society does, and in turn some singular people DO need it.

Your typical 9-5er doesn't require any of the knowledge obtained in an undergrad degree.

Breadth and depth of knowledge, and knowledge of knowledge, is what differentiates good engineers from plodding technicians.

Do you need a 4 year degree to plod away in the same job for 40 years as you pay off your mortgage and put aside the rest into your death fund? No.

Is a classical degree useful if you want to break new ground, create new things or methods? I'd say its absolutely essential.

Whether its worthwhile for everyone to have a full degree in their chosen subject is arguable, most people - me included probably -  and society as a whole would be better off doing if they did a trade or technology course or ongoing training.
But here and there you do need people with a very deep understanding of what they, and other people, are doing.

I just finished a biography of Elon Musk - there's a guy who understands the fundamentals of many things.

Last edited by RTHKI (2015-09-29 06:18:59)

Pocshy2.0 wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

top kek merika.

we don't have that mickey mouse bullshit in aus. You get maybe 2 gen eds in anything you want and the rest is just within your degree/major.

I had to take 4 semesters of english, 2 semesters of history, 2 semesters of humanities electives, 2 semesters of hard science non-engineering electives plus stupid freshman orientation classes. All told it tacked on an extra year of school. The theory is that it creates a better rounded graduate but all I saw were classmates sitting stone faced through classes they didn't care about.

That does seem pretty wasteful. Engineers in Canada take a few non-engineering electives (usually 2, I think) plus some 'soft' engineering courses called Praxis which sounds like a better version of forcing you to take 4 semesters of English. Praxis is a writing course for Engineers to assist in turning data into reports. Orientation classes are not a thing.