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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Unless you are gay or a heroin user, your chances of contracting AIDS is extremely small.
For one:

HIV = human immunodeficiency virus
AIDS = acquired immune deficiency syndrome
You contract a virus. You can not contract a syndrome.

Having said that, for the slight chance that I innocently contract HIV from a contaminated blood donation, that I get in an emergency, I would really prefer to have a vaccine available.
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Roc18 wrote:

Wow this place is still up and running. Had to get this subject in here at least once.

GAMERGATE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7faUHdlh9g

bye
that whole gamergate thing was just stupid people making a big deal about nothing.  I...still don't get it.

Which of course makes sense that you're all over it.  Thanks detective Akeem!
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"Gamers" are just upset that feminist and other movements got involved with video games and try to change the concept of "gamer" to something that is more inclusive and in their image

Everyone wanted videogames to be considered an art form but then got really mad when people started to seriously critique and analyze them.

So yeah. Really stupid
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I think you've oversimplified quite a bit.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

"Gamers" are just upset that feminist and other movements got involved with video games and try to change the concept of "gamer" to something that is more inclusive and in their image

Everyone wanted videogames to be considered an art form but then got really mad when people started to seriously critique and analyze them.

So yeah. Really stupid
sarkeesian's actual 'critique' and analysis wouldn't pass the rigour of any other academic discipline, but basically yeah.

gaming criticism and 'serious' study of games as art is still in a very amateur and kind of hokey stage. most of the people breaking into the academe doing it got their doctorates from shitty institutions and work in terrible, contempo/modern colleges with not very exacting standards.

in general it's good the ball is moving and gaming is maturing in that way, but i can see why some - a very small, reasoned minority - got a bit tetchy about some amateur art critic wading into a medium she knew nothing about to make some unwieldy social commentary.

at least that's my take on the whole imbroglio (didn't really pay that much attention, mercifully).

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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

Wow this place is still up and running. Had to get this subject in here at least once.

GAMERGATE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7faUHdlh9g

bye
that whole gamergate thing was just stupid people making a big deal about nothing.  I...still don't get it.

Which of course makes sense that you're all over it.  Thanks detective Akeem!
Big deal about nothing. I'm only gonna say i couldn't disagree with your statement more because I don't feel like writing out a whole dissertation about what's actually going on. Keep your head in the sand if you want people.
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

"Gamers" are just upset that feminist and other movements got involved with video games and try to change the concept of "gamer" to something that is more inclusive and in their image

Everyone wanted videogames to be considered an art form but then got really mad when people started to seriously critique and analyze them.

So yeah. Really stupid
sarkeesian's actual 'critique' and analysis wouldn't pass the rigour of any other academic discipline, but basically yeah.

gaming criticism and 'serious' study of games as art is still in a very amateur and kind of hokey stage. most of the people breaking into the academe doing it got their doctorates from shitty institutions and work in terrible, contempo/modern colleges with not very exacting standards.

in general it's good the ball is moving and gaming is maturing in that way, but i can see why some - a very small, reasoned minority - got a bit tetchy about some amateur art critic wading into a medium she knew nothing about to make some unwieldy social commentary.

at least that's my take on the whole imbroglio (didn't really pay that much attention, mercifully).
Remember when they were trying to convince everyone in the mid 2000s that GTA was responsible for alot of violence? Well this is the same thing except with "gamers are misogynists" born from a media spin in August by the Kotaku's, Polygon's and Gamastura type sites to distract from the Zoe Quinn fiasco where we're at now (remember the GAMERS ARE DEAD, articles from EVERY site immedialtey after that quinn thing became public?). People like Sarkeesian and Wu inserted themselves into that spin as professional victims and are making bank off all of it.

Exhibit A from this past week https://twitter.com/ED_Updates/status/5 … 4662455297

https://i61.tinypic.com/307ykah.png

Exhibit B - sarkeesian's BS


Exhibit C the whole story from her ex that include the chatlogs where Quinn admits to sleeping with at least 5 guys
https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

video log proof backing the messages



The attempted cover up and spin in august and the shit storm that these corrupt sites created is disgusting. They wanted it to be a polarizing discussion about their lack of ethics. It's a classic media spin And if you have all this evidence in front of you and still think gamers are terrorists or misogynists because they play games then you're biased, stupid or misguided mentally. So i guess i did end up writing a dissertation about the whole thing.
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Roc18 wrote:

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

"Gamers" are just upset that feminist and other movements got involved with video games and try to change the concept of "gamer" to something that is more inclusive and in their image

Everyone wanted videogames to be considered an art form but then got really mad when people started to seriously critique and analyze them.

So yeah. Really stupid
sarkeesian's actual 'critique' and analysis wouldn't pass the rigour of any other academic discipline, but basically yeah.

gaming criticism and 'serious' study of games as art is still in a very amateur and kind of hokey stage. most of the people breaking into the academe doing it got their doctorates from shitty institutions and work in terrible, contempo/modern colleges with not very exacting standards.

in general it's good the ball is moving and gaming is maturing in that way, but i can see why some - a very small, reasoned minority - got a bit tetchy about some amateur art critic wading into a medium she knew nothing about to make some unwieldy social commentary.

at least that's my take on the whole imbroglio (didn't really pay that much attention, mercifully).
Remember when they were trying to convince everyone in the mid 2000s that GTA was responsible for alot of violence? Well this is the same thing except with "gamers are misogynists" born from a media spin in August by the Kotaku's, Polygon's and Gamastura type sites to distract from the Zoe Quinn fiasco where we're at now (remember the GAMERS ARE DEAD, articles from EVERY site immedialtey after that quinn thing became public?). People like Sarkeesian and Wu inserted themselves into that spin as professional victims and are making bank off all of it.

Exhibit A from this past week https://twitter.com/ED_Updates/status/5 … 4662455297



Exhibit B - sarkeesian's BS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI

Exhibit C the whole story from her ex that include the chatlogs where Quinn admits to sleeping with at least 5 guys
https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

video log proof backing the messages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ReC-GtLfc


The attempted cover up and spin in august and the shit storm that these corrupt sites created is disgusting. They wanted it to be a polarizing discussion about their lack of ethics. It's a classic media spin And if you have all this evidence in front of you and still think gamers are terrorists or misogynists because they play games then you're biased, stupid or misguided mentally. So i guess i did end up writing a dissertation about the whole thing.
Lol wat? So gamergate is is akin to moral majority people going after vidya games for causing violence ala "Black Sabbath records cause suicidal rampages"? I'm over looking at your links because it STILL seems much ado about nothing and kind of nonsensical but I thought this was birthed from what I hear people refer to as tumblr or SJWs (which I guess I'm still kind of in the dark on...is there some sort of massed tumblr army, or are these so-called SJWs that frequent tumblr ghosts that disappear into the internet ether?) taking issue with the portrayal of women in vidya games which was then turned into a quasi-ethical debate on video game reviews and people sleeping with people to get favorable reviews and whatnot.  It's mindboggling to see you provide some sort of internet link-oral history (not that you provided them, but that there is actually some sort of linkable timeline of events).

Call it keeping my head in the sand, but again, it seems like something blown completely out of proportion by people who think they are fighting for an important cause.  It almost sounds like a shitty high school drama played out in real life.

Classic media spin from wordpress sites and youtube and twitter links? Whaaaa? Doesn't it have to actually involve real media in order for there to be a spin?
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it is about ethics in video game journalism
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

it is about ethics in video game journalism
Yes and nobody made a whole uproar when COD scores 10/10 for every single repeat they made.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

it is about ethics in video game journalism
then what's the relevancy of this?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

"Gamers" are just upset that feminist and other movements got involved with video games and try to change the concept of "gamer" to something that is more inclusive and in their image

Everyone wanted videogames to be considered an art form but then got really mad when people started to seriously critique and analyze them.

So yeah. Really stupid
I get the discussion about ethics in video games...but is the whole gamergate thing REALLY a debate of ethics?  WTF is up with the links Roc provided?  Why isn't it as simple as saying, "gamer mags and reviewers are beholden to the video game publishers and other outside parties creating influence of ratings in order to gain access" and then using that as a launching point for discussion?

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

it is about ethics in video game journalism
Yes and nobody made a whole uproar when COD scores 10/10 for every single repeat they made.
I think it's kind of a widely known "wink wink, nudge nudge" thing that most informed gamers know those rating are garbage.
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Because, like most American political movements, they really don't care about the issue they are debating and are instead using it as a platform to practice identity politics and fight a culture war. GamerGate people feel they are under attack by Social Justice Warriors (people on tumbler and twitter who complain about sexism and racism) and are responding by doing all of the crap they are up to. Some right wing websites picked up on the movement and pushed it into mainstream media because they hate feminist.

This all started for a really stupid reason.

A developer's boyfriend posted on a blog about his girlfriend cheating on him with 5 guys who were in the video game industry. One of the guys was a writer who gave a brief passing mention of her game in a magazine. That video became really popular because it was released on steam for free on the day of Robin Williams death and the game was about depression. So the girl got some mainstream fame and the GG people saw her success as being the result of her trading sex for favorable game reviews. They then started internet drama and it has snowballed from there.

If there was ever a time to 'take back video game journalism' or whatever, they could have done it back in 2007 when a video game reviewer lost his job at game spot for giving an advertiser a bad review.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kane_%26_L … ontroversy
But of course that didn't because it didn't have feminist, sex, or a lot of identity issues in it.



Now can we get back to discussing AIDS?
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I'm still confused, and I'm not purposely being obtuse here.  Is it about ethics in journalism or some stupid fucking drama between internet denizens with too much time on their hands?  It sounds like it's thinly veiled as a discussion about ethics in video game journalism (typing that makes me chuckle as if the majority of "journalism" about video games doesn't consist of game reviews) but really it's just people doing what people do on the internet - bitch and moan about conceived problems.

I'm aware of the backstory - which makes it all the more bizarre and convoluted to nail down what exactly is going on here.

So what's the platform of the gamergate people?
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Is it about ethics in journalism or some stupid fucking drama between internet denizens with too much time on their hands?
the latter
So what's the platform of the gamergate people?
they don't have one.
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If you don't care that the mainstream media is shitting on gamers and gaming culture because of mainstream gaming media like the multiple examples i provided spinning a narrative away from their corruption then that's on you. I care because I think its something that's wrong. If you want these sites to increase their standards, change or be punished like they have been and not create shitstorms through spin jobs like we've seen the past several months then that's what gamergate is about. The original narrative got twisted into this feminist misogyny debate, and where we're at now. These sites that I mentioned wanted it to become this type of discussion where neutral people like KEN say I DONT CARE, I DONT EVEN THINK ITS A BIG DEAL or anti-gg like Wu and Sarkeesian spouting GAMERS ARE MISOGYNISTS GAMERS ARE TERRORISTS. thats what a media spin is, that was the point of the GAMERS ARE DEAD articles that popped up and got reported everywhere immediately after the Quinn thing got exposed.
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Who gives a shit what people think about gamers? Who gives a shit about gaming culture? I have never told any girls I was seeing that I played video games or had a steam account. Never brought up the discussion with any strangers. you are acting like someone labeled your time sink as pedophilia or something. no one cares and you are better off reading the economist or time magazine than you are reading game informer and chan boards anyway.

#SorryNotSorry #RealTalk

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Like I said that's on you if you don't care. The reason this is a thing is because alot of people care.

"you are acting like someone labeled your time sink as pedophilia or something."

No they're labeling one who games as connected terrorism and violence against women and making Law and order SVU episodes about it lol.
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Roc18 wrote:

No they're labeling one who games as connected terrorism and violence against women and making Law and order SVU episodes about it lol.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

No they're labeling one who games as connected terrorism and violence against women and making Law and order SVU episodes about it lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWXs1LjQH8
roger that roc

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Roc18 wrote:

If you don't care that the mainstream media is shitting on gamers and gaming culture because of mainstream gaming media like the multiple examples i provided spinning a narrative away from their corruption then that's on you. I care because I think its something that's wrong. If you want these sites to increase their standards, change or be punished like they have been and not create shitstorms through spin jobs like we've seen the past several months then that's what gamergate is about. The original narrative got twisted into this feminist misogyny debate, and where we're at now. These sites that I mentioned wanted it to become this type of discussion where neutral people like KEN say I DONT CARE, I DONT EVEN THINK ITS A BIG DEAL or anti-gg like Wu and Sarkeesian spouting GAMERS ARE MISOGYNISTS GAMERS ARE TERRORISTS. thats what a media spin is, that was the point of the GAMERS ARE DEAD articles that popped up and got reported everywhere immediately after the Quinn thing got exposed.
you provided a youtube link, a twitter link and a blog post.  Where's the mainstream media links?  No one outside a slight handful of people that probably care a little too much about this non-issue give a fuck dude.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

No they're labeling one who games as connected terrorism and violence against women and making Law and order SVU episodes about it lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWXs1LjQH8
this is probably the dumbest meme ever.  Please stop.

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