thanks obama
Obama shut down the parks to breed national anger?Jay wrote:
It was two weeks, and the National Park Service should be made independent like the Post Office? They charge entry fees and are self sustaining. Obama shut them down to breed anger for political reasons. If you think our economy is dependent on government spending, outside of the tourism industry, you are out of your mind.coke wrote:
Ok whether you believe in governmental economic stimulus or not. To claim that a government shutdown hasn't or wouldn't affect an economy is daft.Jay wrote:
What stimulus? Do you even know what the word means?
Congress forced them to prepay their retirement fund a few years ago so taxpayers wouldn't be on the hook to bail them out in the future. This is why it's been running massive deficits.DesertFox- wrote:
Self-sustaining? I'm not sure about the National Park Service, but the post office is only quasi-independent and lost 15.9 billion dollars in 2012.Jay wrote:
It was two weeks, and the National Park Service should be made independent like the Post Office? They charge entry fees and are self sustaining. Obama shut them down to breed anger for political reasons. If you think our economy is dependent on government spending, outside of the tourism industry, you are out of your mind.coke wrote:
Ok whether you believe in governmental economic stimulus or not. To claim that a government shutdown hasn't or wouldn't affect an economy is daft.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yes.AussieReaper wrote:
Obama shut down the parks to breed national anger?Jay wrote:
It was two weeks, and the National Park Service should be made independent like the Post Office? They charge entry fees and are self sustaining. Obama shut them down to breed anger for political reasons. If you think our economy is dependent on government spending, outside of the tourism industry, you are out of your mind.coke wrote:
Ok whether you believe in governmental economic stimulus or not. To claim that a government shutdown hasn't or wouldn't affect an economy is daft.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It was the Republicans that forced the shutdown by refusing to pass a budget that didn't also defund Obamacare.Jay wrote:
Yes.AussieReaper wrote:
Obama shut down the parks to breed national anger?Jay wrote:
It was two weeks, and the National Park Service should be made independent like the Post Office? They charge entry fees and are self sustaining. Obama shut them down to breed anger for political reasons. If you think our economy is dependent on government spending, outside of the tourism industry, you are out of your mind.
The National Parks system is governed by the Federal government.
Therefore Obama shutdown the National Parks?
Republicans tried to fund the park system, Democrats refused to allow it through because they wanted angry voters.AussieReaper wrote:
It was the Republicans that forced the shutdown by refusing to pass a budget that didn't also defund Obamacare.Jay wrote:
Yes.AussieReaper wrote:
Obama shut down the parks to breed national anger?
The National Parks system is governed by the Federal government.
Therefore Obama shutdown the National Parks?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
After shutting down the government and closing the national parks, Republicans realised exactly what the damage was and decided to try to send through piecemeal legislation.
That's no way to govern. To claim that it was Obama who shut them down because he refused to negotiate with terrorists is laughable.
The tea party is doing so much damage to the GOP brand right now but you're blaming Obama.
That's no way to govern. To claim that it was Obama who shut them down because he refused to negotiate with terrorists is laughable.
The tea party is doing so much damage to the GOP brand right now but you're blaming Obama.
Racking up unsustainable debt levels was the ultimate cause of the shutdown was it not? How many credit cards do you have?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
no because the US would default on their debts if they didn't reach a debt deal yesterday. when the US starts defaulting on their loans we'd be all fucked.AussieReaper wrote:
After shutting down the government and closing the national parks, Republicans realised exactly what the damage was and decided to try to send through piecemeal legislation.
That's no way to govern. To claim that it was Obama who shut them down because he refused to negotiate with terrorists is laughable.
The tea party is doing so much damage to the GOP brand right now but you're blaming Obama.
We wouldn't default. They would be forced to balance the budget immediately, which would mean massive furloughs, maybe suspended medicare and social security payments, but they would service the debt. Scaremonger media morons pushed that story but it was for political purposes and ratings.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
i think that speaks to someone's political bias. there are people in this state that got thoroughly pissed (an Americanism that means that they were upset) that the political party they blindly followed would recklessly shut down the government over a law that had been upheld by the Supreme Court, that they are going to challenge the caucus system in favor of an open primary.AussieReaper wrote:
The tea party is doing so much damage to the GOP brand right now but you're blaming Obama.
then there are the Faux News addicts that say a prayer for Senator Mike Lee, standing up to Obama at that rally at the closed war memorial and condemned him for having the chutzpah for barricading a property that the National Park Service is by law obligated to protect.
thanks obama. how dare you make mike lee stand in front of an NPS property, closed due to Congress of these United States, and rail against you for something mike lee and his buddy ted cruz engineered. gtfo, and take your social safety net with you, you unelectable Kenyan . . .
How is it unsustainable?Jay wrote:
Racking up unsustainable debt levels was the ultimate cause of the shutdown was it not? How many credit cards do you have?
The debt ceiling was raised for another few months. It's entirely a manufactured crisis that you even hit that ceiling. As I've said earlier, Bush raise the debt ceiling 7 times.
Why only be fiscally responsible when in opposition?
The tea party formed in response to Bush's TARP. Our debt levels are completely unsustainable. Stop being such a complete moron cheerleader, you don't even live in this country.AussieReaper wrote:
How is it unsustainable?Jay wrote:
Racking up unsustainable debt levels was the ultimate cause of the shutdown was it not? How many credit cards do you have?
The debt ceiling was raised for another few months. It's entirely a manufactured crisis that you even hit that ceiling. As I've said earlier, Bush raise the debt ceiling 7 times.
Why only be fiscally responsible when in opposition?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Don't tread on me!Jay wrote:
The tea party formed in response to Bush's TARP. Our debt levels are completely unsustainable. Stop being such a complete moron cheerleader, you don't even live in this country.AussieReaper wrote:
How is it unsustainable?Jay wrote:
Racking up unsustainable debt levels was the ultimate cause of the shutdown was it not? How many credit cards do you have?
The debt ceiling was raised for another few months. It's entirely a manufactured crisis that you even hit that ceiling. As I've said earlier, Bush raise the debt ceiling 7 times.
Why only be fiscally responsible when in opposition?
the tea party formed in response to obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and the fact that he is black.Jay wrote:
The tea party formed in response to Bush's TARP. Our debt levels are completely unsustainable.
what the fuck is so wrong with a country that governs out of fear, from both the left and right? we grow numb so the stunts have to be bolder and grander. i will agree the levels are unsustainable, but what we have now is one party promising everything for everybody, and another promising nothing for noone, and both demonizing the intellect of the will of the American People. the intelligent, informed opinions of the right and the left are castigated by the other side and the stupid ideas are championed by Libertarians.
The govt printing money isn't a stimulus?Jay wrote:
What stimulus? Do you even know what the word means?AussieReaper wrote:
Unfortunately Jay doesn't believe in government stimulus, so has to somehow rationalise the government shutdown didn't affect the economy.
Just how stupid are you?AR wrote:
How is it unsustainable?
The debt ceiling was raised for another few months. It's entirely a manufactured crisis that you even hit that ceiling. As I've said earlier, Bush raise the debt ceiling 7 times.
Why only be fiscally responsible when in opposition?
When fiscal conservatives increase borrowing and raise the debt ceiling thats fiscal conservativism and true patriotism.
When freedom hating liberals increase borrowing and raise the debt ceiling they might as well be shitting on the stars and stripes and wiping their asses with a bald eagle as they dream of sucking Mao's dick.
Honestly I'm beginning to think you're a little slow as a minimum.
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Fuck Israel
Arnold Trying to Run for President
American politics is no longer about politics, it's turned into a reality TV-show/circus.
1. No chance a bill like this would ever get passed.
2. No chance a man with extra-marital affairs and love children would make it past the primaries.
3. No chance Ahhnuld would ever get elected.'
4. No chance there will ever be a Republican president ever again.
What a joke.
American politics is no longer about politics, it's turned into a reality TV-show/circus.
1. No chance a bill like this would ever get passed.
2. No chance a man with extra-marital affairs and love children would make it past the primaries.
3. No chance Ahhnuld would ever get elected.'
4. No chance there will ever be a Republican president ever again.
What a joke.
The foreign born and age restrictions are just stupid though.
Did I say it was dependent?Jay wrote:
It was two weeks, and the National Park Service should be made independent like the Post Office? They charge entry fees and are self sustaining. Obama shut them down to breed anger for political reasons. If you think our economy is dependent on government spending, outside of the tourism industry, you are out of your mind.coke wrote:
Ok whether you believe in governmental economic stimulus or not. To claim that a government shutdown hasn't or wouldn't affect an economy is daft.Jay wrote:
What stimulus? Do you even know what the word means?
And it's not just the National Parks and tourism that have been affected, or have I gone out of my mind!
There are other aspects of the economy which were affected too, but that has more to do with the regulatory environment created by the government that forces businesses to request permission, in triplicate, before engaging in many actions. There were reports of microbrewery's having problems getting started because they needed a government functionary to sign off on their paperwork, and the crabbing industry requiring the same in order to start fishing. We've turned into a society where we must ask permission from our government before engaging in many activities, rather than a free society with innate rights. Government isn't required for 99% of every day life, but they've forced themselves to be required.coke wrote:
Did I say it was dependent?Jay wrote:
It was two weeks, and the National Park Service should be made independent like the Post Office? They charge entry fees and are self sustaining. Obama shut them down to breed anger for political reasons. If you think our economy is dependent on government spending, outside of the tourism industry, you are out of your mind.coke wrote:
Ok whether you believe in governmental economic stimulus or not. To claim that a government shutdown hasn't or wouldn't affect an economy is daft.
And it's not just the National Parks and tourism that have been affected, or have I gone out of my mind!
This is backwards. Progressivism flipped American law on its head and transformed our society from one where everything was legal until it was illegal, into a society where every aspect of life is regulated down to the tiniest detail, and where the implication is now that everything is illegal until permission is granted otherwise.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Agreed government's do intervene and interfere too much with people's everyday life/business. But this only reinforces the point that a government shutdown will affect an economy...
It was a rather marginal impact overall.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You know what would be great? If every backstreet crackhead could sell foodstuffs to the general populace with no checks or balances.Jay wrote:
There are other aspects of the economy which were affected too, but that has more to do with the regulatory environment created by the government that forces businesses to request permission, in triplicate, before engaging in many actions. There were reports of microbrewery's having problems getting started because they needed a government functionary to sign off on their paperwork, and the crabbing industry requiring the same in order to start fishing. We've turned into a society where we must ask permission from our government before engaging in many activities, rather than a free society with innate rights. Government isn't required for 99% of every day life, but they've forced themselves to be required.
This is backwards. Progressivism flipped American law on its head and transformed our society from one where everything was legal until it was illegal, into a society where every aspect of life is regulated down to the tiniest detail, and where the implication is now that everything is illegal until permission is granted otherwise.
Please give up with your extremist free-market gibberish, its retarded and always has been.
Fuck Israel
Yes, better to have a permanent aristocracy you elitist High Tory jackass.Dilbert_X wrote:
You know what would be great? If every backstreet crackhead could sell foodstuffs to the general populace with no checks or balances.Jay wrote:
There are other aspects of the economy which were affected too, but that has more to do with the regulatory environment created by the government that forces businesses to request permission, in triplicate, before engaging in many actions. There were reports of microbrewery's having problems getting started because they needed a government functionary to sign off on their paperwork, and the crabbing industry requiring the same in order to start fishing. We've turned into a society where we must ask permission from our government before engaging in many activities, rather than a free society with innate rights. Government isn't required for 99% of every day life, but they've forced themselves to be required.
This is backwards. Progressivism flipped American law on its head and transformed our society from one where everything was legal until it was illegal, into a society where every aspect of life is regulated down to the tiniest detail, and where the implication is now that everything is illegal until permission is granted otherwise.
Please give up with your extremist free-market gibberish, its retarded and always has been.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
How so? Americans are already in the mindset after Obama of 'Hey, lets elect someone who is completely new and different." I wouldn't put it past the idiotic masses to elect a 23 year old Honduran pool boy who can barely speak English because he has a great set of abs and fabulous hair.DrunkFace wrote:
The foreign born and age restrictions are just stupid though.