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Winston_Churchill wrote:

err that's fairly unrelated. plus im not sure where your near 100% inflation comes from...

any way you want to look at it, the amount of guns and firearm deaths in canada in a year is a regular weekend in the states. i like my safety, thanks

Cost overruns

The registry again became a political issue in the early 2000s when massive cost overruns were reported.

In early 2000, the Canadian Firearms Program released a report that showed that implementation costs were rising. Major backlogs in registration—largely as a result of firearm owners waiting until the last minute to apply—general increase in costs, fee waivers for early applications, and high error rates in applications submitted by firearm owners were all cited as contributing factors to the rising costs. Although not reported, many political scientists believe the real reason behind rising costs and time was due to government inefficiency, and not the fault of gun owners.[7]

In December 2001, cost rose to an estimated $527 million. The Canadian Firearms Program reported that a major factor behind the rising costs was the difficulty it had keeping track of licence fees collected. This was blamed, in part, on the computer system used to process applications. The audit said that the problem could not be resolved without "massive change," including "significant investment" in the computer system.[7]

In April 2002 the tab for implementing the registry rose to $629 million. The costs were $2 million to help police enforce legislation; a minimum of $60 million for public-relations programs, including television commercials ($18 million of which went to ad agency GroupAction, which also received millions in sponsorship scandal contracts); $227 million in computer costs, including complicated application forms that slow processing times; and $332 million for other programming costs, including money to pay staff to process the forms.[7]

In December 2002, the Auditor-General of Canada, Sheila Fraser, reported that the project was running vastly above initial cost estimates. The report showed that the implementation of the firearms registry program by the Department of Justice has had significant strategic and management problems throughout. Taxpayers were originally expected to pay only $2 million of the budget while registration fees would cover the rest. In 1995, the Department of Justice reported to Parliament that the system would cost $119 million to implement, and that the income generated from licensing fees would be $117 million. This gives a net cost of $2 million. At the time of the 2002 audit, however, the revised estimates from the Department of Justice were that the cost of the program would be more than $1 billion by 2004-05 and that the income from licence fees in the same period would be $140 million.[7]

In February 2004, documents obtained by Zone Libre of Télévision de Radio-Canada suggested that the gun registry has cost around $2 billion so far.[7]

In May 2006, the Auditor-General of Canada, Sheila Fraser, reported that the former Liberal government twice misinformed Parliament about tens of millions of dollars of overspending at the Canada Firearms Centre. Fraser said the planned computerized gun registry system was three years overdue and so far had cost $90 million, three times more than expected.[7]

Information technology expenditures were disproportionally high especially throughout the program’s early development. However, the program was not exceptional compared to other government-run programs with large IT projects. A 2006 report by the Auditor General regarding large IT Projects demonstrates that after more than a full decade of IT projects had passed within the government since its last IT audit, and whereby a TB Framework had been developed for IT, only two of the seven large IT projects assessed met all audit criteria for well-managed projects. When CFP was merged into the RCMP in 2006, IT comprised almost 50% of total program expenditures – the industry standard is 20-30%. By 2009, costs had stabilized to 21-27% of direct program expenditures and were expected to be reduced further within the existing RCMP IT architecture.

War Man wrote:

Gun laws are going to become even more pointless once 3d printers become more widespread, anyone will be able to make a gun in their place fairly easy.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-08-02 03:14:10)

RTHKI wrote:

doesnt one of the canucks on the forum hate canadian gun laws

Winston_Churchill wrote:

i dont know, but if so hes probably french

Stubbee wrote:

ROFL Canada?
2 billion dollar piece of crap gun registry? That is going to be scrapped?

War Man wrote:

RTHKI wrote:

doesnt one of the canucks on the forum hate canadian gun laws

Winston_Churchill wrote:

i dont know, but if so hes probably french

Krazed, and far from French, doesn't like French Canadians.

Winston_Churchill wrote:

err that's fairly unrelated. plus im not sure where your near 100% inflation comes from...

any way you want to look at it, the amount of guns and firearm deaths in canada in a year is a regular weekend in the states. i like my safety, thanks

Wouldn't matter if there were less guns, there'd still be equal or greater violence than now. Too many bad neighborhoods.

Extra Medium wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

LOL OK.

You don't think 3d printers can make guns?

Not guns that won't fail after 10 shots.

Extra Medium wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

Extra Medium wrote:

Not guns that won't fail after 10 shots.

You don't think 3d printing technology [will] advance past its current level? 3d printing has reached the pinnacle of achievement?

You obviously have no idea how a gun works.

Last edited by Stubbee (2013-08-08 13:15:46)

Stubbee wrote:

Extra Medium wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

You don't think 3d printers can make guns?

Not guns that won't fail after 10 shots.

You don't think 3d printing technology won't advance past its current level? 3d printing has reached the pinnacle of achievement?