xstax981
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(Reuters) - The U.S. government may proceed with its $5 billion lawsuit accusing Standard & Poor's of misleading investors by inflating its credit ratings, after a federal judge rejected the rating agency's effort to dismiss the civil fraud case.

In a written decision late on Tuesday, the judge said the government could pursue claims that S&P manipulated ratings to boost profit, and in doing so, concealed credit risks and conflicts of interest.

This led to large losses for investors and contributed to the 2008 financial crisis, the government contended.

"The government's complaint alleges, in detail, the ways in which none of S&P's credit ratings represented the thing that they were supposed to represent, which was an objective assessment of creditworthiness, because business considerations infected the entire rating process," wrote U.S. District Judge David Carter, in Santa Ana, California.

S&P, a unit of McGraw Hill Financial Inc, has said statements about the integrity of its ratings are "puffery" that cannot be a basis for the fraud lawsuit, filed on February 4 by the U.S. Department of Justice.

Catherine Mathis, an S&P spokeswoman, said on Wednesday the lawsuit lacks merit.

"We firmly believe S&P's ratings were and are independent and expect to show just that in court," she said.

The lawsuit accused the largest U.S. credit rating agency of inflating ratings to win more fees from the issuers and bankers that pay for them.

It also said S&P failed to downgrade ratings for collateralized debt obligations despite knowing they were backed by deteriorating residential mortgage-backed securities.

According to the complaint, S&P rated more than $2.8 trillion of RMBS and nearly $1.2 trillion of CDOs from September 2004 to October 2007.

NO PREDICTIVE VALUE?

Carter had tentatively decided on July 8 to let the lawsuit go forward, but held a hearing that day to consider dismissal.

He said S&P asserted repeatedly at that hearing that no reasonable investor would have relied on its claims of independence and objectivity.

"S&P argued that, since the issuer banks had access to the same information and models that S&P analysts did, they could not have been fooled by faulty credit ratings," Carter wrote.

"This begs the question: If no investor believed in S&P's objectivity, and every bank had access to the same information and models as S&P, is S&P asserting that, as a matter of law, the company's credit ratings service added absolutely zero material value as a predictor of creditworthiness?"

Fourteen U.S. states and the District of Columbia are suing S&P over similar claims in the U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

In that case, U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman scheduled an October 4 hearing on Tuesday to consider both S&P's effort to dismiss that litigation and the effort by states to move their lawsuits back to various state courts from federal court.

Consolidating the state cases may help S&P avoid multiple judgments or conflicting rulings, and reduce its legal bills.

The Justice Department had sued under the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery and Enforcement Act, a 1989 law passed after the savings and loan crisis.

That law allows the government to seek penalties for losses affecting federally insured financial institutions.

S&P's main rivals are Moody's Corp's, Moody's Investors Service and Fimalac SA's Fitch Ratings. The federal government has not brought a lawsuit similar to the S&P case against either.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/ … 8620130717

Personally, after reading this I have no problem with this going through. Unfortunately, this occurs probably more often than reported; and the chances of this lawsuit stopping this activity is slim to none. Thoughts?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6929|Tampa Bay Florida
Where was all of this 5 years ago?  Anyone?
Extra Medium
THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4434|Oklahoma
Good.  Luck.  With that.
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
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blame anyone but yourselves.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

xstax981 wrote:

Personally, after reading this I have no problem with this going through.
i honestly don't see how anybody could be against that stuff going through. the problem is, only one small group of those fucking frauds will (hopefully) get what they deserve.

Unfortunately, this occurs probably more often than reported
wat? man, this shit occurs all the time, how do you think all the romney's and soros'es of the land of teh free and stuff were able to make their fortunes?

and the chances of this lawsuit stopping this activity is slim to none.
the chances are at exactly zero. this particular incident have only been made public because money that were being made over this shit didn't reach certain pockets. this is but retribution by the system for not following the rules, nothing more.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5597|London, England
Retribution for lowering the US' credit rating morelike.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Cybargs
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Jay wrote:

Retribution for lowering the US' credit rating morelike.
pretty much
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Jay wrote:

Retribution for lowering the US' credit rating morelike.
something like 50 years ago maybe that would've been semi-true. today - nah, nobody gives a shit anymore. the game is rigged and everybody knows it. feds and pentagon - those stand for your "credit rating" these days.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
Moderated
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Shahter wrote:

Jay wrote:

Retribution for lowering the US' credit rating morelike.
something like 50 years ago maybe that would've been semi-true. today - nah, nobody gives a shit anymore. the game is rigged and everybody knows it. feds and pentagon - those stand for your "credit rating" these days.
what are you on about.
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Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4493
more slavic psychobabble.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Jay wrote:

Retribution for lowering the US' credit rating morelike.
something like 50 years ago maybe that would've been semi-true. today - nah, nobody gives a shit anymore. the game is rigged and everybody knows it. feds and pentagon - those stand for your "credit rating" these days.
what are you on about.
usa's actual credit rating is zero. they are basically bankrupt, have been for a while now. the only thing that keeps them going is their ability to either outright buy (using the papers printed by the feds) or physically destroy anybody who tries to break away from the financial pyramid they run.

Last edited by Shahter (2013-07-18 05:47:20)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Macbeth
Banned
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

more slavic psychobabble.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955

Macbeth wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

more slavic psychobabble.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955
yeah the US is totally going to default on all their debts soon. totes.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

yeah the US is totally going to default on all their debts soon. totes.
no, they are not. they have money printing machine and huge military to take care of that.

Last edited by Shahter (2013-07-18 06:00:05)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

yeah the US is totally going to default on all their debts soon. totes.
no, they are not. they have money printing machine and huge military to take care of that.
yeah because other governments in the world can't print their money right or get a massive military right?

top. lel.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

yeah the US is totally going to default on all their debts soon. totes.
no, they are not. they have money printing machine and huge military to take care of that.
yeah because other governments in the world can't print their money
they can. but nobody will accept that money.

right or get a massive military right?
not without the money printing machine.

top. lel.
fuck. off.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX
Its nice that the US govt is suing an American company for once.
Fuck Israel
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Dilbert_X wrote:

Its nice that the US govt is suing an American company for once.
well, yes, but, as i said, they are doing it for the wrong reasons most likely.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Macbeth
Banned
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The U.S. governments brings antitrust cases against companies every year. Apple was just found guilty of price fixing and is going to be punished for it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 … ices-trial
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia
of course, apple's been trying to fix e-book prices and is going to be punished! the system must be working after all.
but, wait, what about dat time not so long ago when the fucking bankers almost brought the whole bloody economy down? the government did - what?! - bailed those bankers out? using, among other things, tax money of those same people who got scammed ffs?
what was the meme again? top lel?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955
i dont think you know how the economy works.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

i dont think you know how the economy works.
i don't think you know anything at all. now what?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955

Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

i dont think you know how the economy works.
i don't think you know anything at all. now what?
why doesnt russia just make a money printing machine? you guys dont have any ink?
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