true about orthodox church. putin, however, wasn't there.Spearhead wrote:
Shahter werent pussy riot arrested after they jumped up in front of a ceremony at some orthodox church and started jumping around when Putin was in the audience?
Explain how I am extreme. Because I love my country? Because I believe in the second amendment? Because I don't believe in having a giant, intrusive government?specops10-4 wrote:
This is like watching two midgets fight, its hilarious but I feel kinda sad now.
Both of you (Shahter and Extra Medium) are arguing against yourselves at this point. Neither of you realize that your extreme beliefs are what lead to programs like PRISM and other forms of government corruption just from opposite sides of the spectrum.
Ahhhhh, pulling the classic BF2S debating method! Ignore everything (literally) I say, take shit I didn't even say out of context and make an insult.Shahter wrote:
Extra Medium wrote:
<usa fuk yeah>you have no idea what you are talking about, mr. redneck. but, if it's any consolidation, i would have really liked had they actually driven those pussy-something idiots to suicide. that would've been a lot better than throwing them in prison making everybody talk about that shit.Extra Medium wrote:
<i've never read anything about russia, never even looked at it on the map>
"If I had my way all the hippys, liberals, communists and ferries would be thrown into a volcano followed by a rather large sack containing the world supply of ruger firearms."Extra Medium wrote:
Explain how I am extreme. Because I love my country? Because I believe in the second amendment? Because I don't believe in having a giant, intrusive government?specops10-4 wrote:
This is like watching two midgets fight, its hilarious but I feel kinda sad now.
Both of you (Shahter and Extra Medium) are arguing against yourselves at this point. Neither of you realize that your extreme beliefs are what lead to programs like PRISM and other forms of government corruption just from opposite sides of the spectrum.
Or is it because it's popular to disagree with me?
Extra wrote:
We take our crazy cunts here in America and make them famous so they eventually cave under pressure and kill themselves.
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If you don't notice the government imprisoning artists for annoying the clergy or insulting the government there's really something wrong.Shahter wrote:
"artists"? did you just call those crazy cunts "artists"?
now, on one thing i do agree with you: they went way over the top with this pussy-schtick - comically so. but you have to understand - nobody gives a fuck here. it has been prepared for you as a kind of "zomg! look what those horrible ruskies doing!!" by your propaganda machine, but here we barely noticed this crap. you'll have to forgive me, but, quite frankly, there are more immediate problems for us here than cretins dancing on altars.
yeah, i agree. so much is going wrong in russia atm that nobody really gives a fuck about retarded bitches and fucking clergy. go figure.Dilbert_X wrote:
If you don't notice the government imprisoning artists for annoying the clergy or insulting the government there's really something wrong.
its not about retarded bitches, its about state control and precedents. lol 2 years in prison for "hooliganism."Shahter wrote:
yeah, i agree. so much is going wrong in russia atm that nobody really gives a fuck about retarded bitches and fucking clergy. go figure.Dilbert_X wrote:
If you don't notice the government imprisoning artists for annoying the clergy or insulting the government there's really something wrong.
longest running gov - probably iceland, might be the englishExtra Medium wrote:
We still follow some of the same ideas, principles and schools of thought because most of them still work. Free trade, democratic republic system, and three branch check and balance type government have worked phenomenally well when compared to the vast majority of other systems and governments around the world. If you are actually Russian, how many times has your government changed in the last 235 years? Were they all good changes? How about Germany? How about Italy? How about pretty much any country in the middle east, Europe or even Asia.Shahter wrote:
the founding of your nation happened, what, ~250 yeas ago? do you have the slightest idea how far forward the world have come since then? the "dictinct schools of thought" you are speaking about have been thouroghly researched sinse fucking lincolns and jeffersons and our current understanding of the prosesses of national and societal structures and dinamics, as well as our capabilities - by means provided by information technologies we have access to now - to monitor and influence that, are such, that your so called "fathers" would shit their pants if they were told about that stuff. why the fuck would anybody in this day and age cling to the "distinct schools of thought" prevalent at the times, when people kept slaves and treated rheumatism with moonshine and leeches? are we to fucking move on already?Jay wrote:
At the founding of our nation there were two distinct schools of thought as to how it should be governed going forward.I think I read somewhere that the U.S. currently holds the record for the longest lasting current government in the world, meaning it's gone the longest without having it's essential form changed or altered. America currently has one of (not THE) highest standards of living in the first world and we are one of, if not the only, remaining superpower in the world. My question to you would be, why fix it if it ain't broken? Not to say we are perfect, we certainly are not by any means. However, I believe it was Churchill who saidShahter wrote:
the founding of your nation happened, what, ~250 yeas ago? do you have the slightest idea how far forward the world have come since then?
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried."
We cling to those schools of thought because they are the core values, beliefs and ideals that have guided our country from being a colony to a world superpower in 235 years. Our people have not seen war on our soil since 1865 and have never suffered through the massive famine, genocide, occupation and collapse of government like most of the other countries in the world. Our system doesn't work perfectly but it has served it's people, by and large, VERY well over the past two and a half centuries.
Also, a google search for "longest continuous current government" doesn't bring up a lot of answers, but apparently yahoo answers is sick of answering it....Extra Medium wrote:
I think I read somewhere that the U.S. currently holds the record for the longest lasting current government....
America currently has one of (not THE) highest standards of living in the first world
we are one of, if not the only, remaining superpowers
Yahoo Answers wrote:
This question has been argued on this forum 100 times, and in all of the history sites and blogs, etc.
It depends on how you word the question. It finally broke down that the oldest CONTINUOUS SINGLE COUNTRY, not empire, with the SAME NAME, no changes whatsoever, with the SAME GOVERNMENT, run by the SAME CONTINUOUS CONSTITUTION .....was in fact the US.
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FatherTed wrote:
not a dig, just some edumaction.
Extra Medium wrote:
just some edumaction.
Did you get beat up by an American once or what? Maybe one impregnated your grandma back during the war and never called her back?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
america is a crumbling empire and a bunch of darkies and yellow skins will put you lazy war-profiteering failed europeans to rest.
and we'll laugh. culture-less peons. idiots. as soon as your military-industrial spending gets outgrossed by another up-and-comer, it's bye-bye lazy fat americans. even all the genius scientists and best scholars will stop going to your universities to contribute to your 'leader' status.
extra's children shall return to the swamp from whence they came.
If his family were indeed slave owners, it means they were likely from either Great Britain or Ireland. ironyUzique The Lesser wrote:
america is a crumbling empire and a bunch of darkies and yellow skins will put you lazy war-profiteering failed europeans to rest.
and we'll laugh. culture-less peons. idiots. as soon as your military-industrial spending gets outgrossed by another up-and-comer, it's bye-bye lazy fat americans. even all the genius scientists and best scholars will stop going to your universities to contribute to your 'leader' status.
extra's children shall return to the swamp from whence they came.
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no. anyway seeing as you argued with me til the cows come home about the rhetoric of the socratic dialogue (despite me being a scholar of such material), here's another dude that i just happen to be reading this morning, whilst researching some good old-fashioned absurdism:Dilbert_X wrote:
Socratic method, that was it.yoozeek wrote:
the socratic method was used by wise philosophers to instruct their wayward students, or people behaving in error.Dilbert_X wrote:
If I weren't so fat and lazy I'd dig up the real Uzique's post about the Platonic ideal being that intelligent men should humiliate and insult people they consider stupid or beneath them.
Still, both types seem to be the preserve of old, smug white men.
- charles i. glickberg PhD (colombia, penn state), the ironic vision in modern literature, 1969.metaphysical or cosmic irony is different from and goes beyond Socratic irony. the latter presented the figure of the eiron, the ironist who is able to laugh at himself. crafty, given to understatement, he is invariably in command of the situation, the fox who is able to outwit the dissembler. Socrates repeatedly employed his dialectical method to satirize beliefs that were without foundation or people who espoused wrong views. thus irony, running the whole gamut of emotional effects from the subtle and the gentle to the cruel and the cutting, can be utilized as an instrument of satire. but metaphysical irony in the twentieth century portrays a hero who, while retaining the Socratic intellect and the Socratic method of questioning every revered truth, transcends his role as dissembler; as ironist he ceases to be heroic or becomes heroic in an entirely different sense. he is overwhelmed by a world beyond his comprehension. like the underground man dostoevski described, he may revolt against reason and logic and science, but he cannot cope with his absurd fate.
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My grandfather believes he may have impregnated a German woman when he was stationed there before going to fight in Korea.Extra Medium wrote:
Did you get beat up by an American once or what? Maybe one impregnated your grandma back during the war and never called her back?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
america is a crumbling empire and a bunch of darkies and yellow skins will put you lazy war-profiteering failed europeans to rest.
and we'll laugh. culture-less peons. idiots. as soon as your military-industrial spending gets outgrossed by another up-and-comer, it's bye-bye lazy fat americans. even all the genius scientists and best scholars will stop going to your universities to contribute to your 'leader' status.
extra's children shall return to the swamp from whence they came.
When you're resorting to Yahoo answers to back up your arguments, well...Macbeth wrote:
lol Yahoo answers
