BF2S Forums Gun politics, firearms ownership, and US 2nd amendment discussion

FYI, I am at heart a true socialist (think resource based economy).  But in order to get through life in this age comfortably, you gotta be a capitalist.

Nyte wrote:

Why do we need guns?  Blah blah civil liberties blah.  The constitution is like a million years old now.  So fucking backwards that these "patriots" are still defending a "right" that is obviously outdated and only meant for its period.

Age isn't a good reason just to ditch the constitution nowadays, but I hardly think that keeping the constitution (which we have the right to amend as we like) original is the real motive behind many pro-gun people. If it was, they'd stop neglecting the first part of the Second Amendment: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state..." It's more of a paranoid idea that the US Government is going to go all totalitarian for whatever reason.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

right. so the problem isn't kids being given guns at a young age. it's a "left wing conspiracy" to make kids be "fearful" of guns. perverse reasoning.

No.  You mistake me.  They are taught to hate and fear them.  They are not being give guns at a young age.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Nyte wrote:

FYI, I am at heart a true socialist (think resource based economy).  But in order to get through life in this age comfortably, you gotta be a capitalist.

well yes, yes you did call me an "anti-capitalist liberal" because i posted something a little bit critical of america. yes, you did. not "no".

and riiiiight. "at heart" you're a true socialist, except you have no conviction whatsoever in your beliefs, and you instead prefer bragging about your "success" and "lifestyle" on an internet forum. how are you in any way a socialist? it's pretty laughable to profess a belief on one hand and then practice something else entirely when it comes to real-life. that is completely contemptible.

I'm a socialist because of my beliefs, not actions (that sounds stupid I know).

My core socialist beliefs:
- Notion of unemployment should not exist, everyone gets a duty and abides by it for the betterment of society
- Notion of currency should not exist
- Everyone has the basic necessity of life
- Every duty everyone abides by has the same worth to society (a janitor can be just as required as a doctor)
- Rules/regulations/law still exists, and is decided by the majority of the people rather than a select few

There is no way that my actions can ever be reformed in any near future to abide by these beliefs.  So rather than attempt to "live by these beliefs" (which is impossible), I choose to live by whatever society I am living in right now.  It doesn't change what I truly believe to be a better society.

Obviously there are opponents to the the socialist doctrine (assuming they go by my definition of socialism).  I've heard them all:
- "oh but humans aren't like that, they are lazy and will take advantage"
- "there is no motivation for people to work or be doctors/engineers/scientists"
- "oh this will lead to anarchy"
- "technological innovation will be stifled and will slow to a crawl"
etc etc.

Until I see clear evidence that "true socialism" has failed, my beliefs still stand instead of all the conservative/liberal rhetoric (I don't consider liberals to be socialist, they are MORE socialist but they are still capitalists at heart).

Nyte wrote:

I'm a socialist because of my beliefs, not actions (that sounds stupid I know).

So if Ty is a huge LotR fan but doesn't live in a hobbit hole or have hobbit feet, he can still be a hobbit?

The "f*ck you I'm a dragon" meme comes to mind.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

13rin wrote:

I'm not too sure that firearms companies are targeting the youth.

The manslaughter weapon in question (5yo kills 2yo) was manufactured by a company that not only manufactures firearms for kids, but does so in a smorgasbord of shiny, attractive colors that wouldn't look out of place on a toy store shelf between the Barbie and TMNT. How can you say they're not targeting youth?

I'm sorry, I missed this one. Please direct me to what you're talking about.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky


I don't know which one the "trained" kid was "playing with" while the mom who knew he was "playing" with it stepped outside, but here's the brightly-colored, attractive lineup marketed for children:

Examples -

pew pew pew pew *boom*







wtf america




Anyway, the whole story stinks of bullshit. Either they're lying about the kid being properly trained or the kid is being framed by his own parent.

Ah.. My bad.. I see what you're on about... Nah, this is textbook bad parenting.  Apologies to Uzi as his point was a tad late.  I had a "youth sized" .22 back in the day.  It's like a amped up pellet gun.   They're out there to facilitate proper shooting technique as it's kinda hard to teach a kid to shoot a full size bolt action, so its scaled down.  Again, proper supervision is the fail here.  But still, what's to stop the kid from stabbing the fuck outta his sib cause knives are readily accessible or hitting em with the hammer from the garage?  But back to the marketing...  When was the last time (as you run to google) that you've seen a "chipmunk .22" ad?

Nyte wrote:

I'm a socialist because of my beliefs, not actions (that sounds stupid I know).

My core socialist beliefs:
- Notion of unemployment should not exist, everyone gets a duty and abides by it for the betterment of society
- Notion of currency should not exist
- Everyone has the basic necessity of life
- Every duty everyone abides by has the same worth to society (a janitor can be just as required as a doctor)
- Rules/regulations/law still exists, and is decided by the majority of the people rather than a select few

There is no way that my actions can ever be reformed in any near future to abide by these beliefs.  So rather than attempt to "live by these beliefs" (which is impossible), I choose to live by whatever society I am living in right now.  It doesn't change what I truly believe to be a better society.

Obviously there are opponents to the the socialist doctrine (assuming they go by my definition of socialism).  I've heard them all:
- "oh but humans aren't like that, they are lazy and will take advantage"
- "there is no motivation for people to work or be doctors/engineers/scientists"
- "oh this will lead to anarchy"
- "technological innovation will be stifled and will slow to a crawl"
etc etc.

Until I see clear evidence that "true socialism" has failed, my beliefs still stand instead of all the conservative/liberal rhetoric (I don't consider liberals to be socialist, they are MORE socialist but they are still capitalists at heart).

True socialism hasn't been tried, so it hasn't failed, but we've seen how various reasonable attempts have failed so its probably not worth trying.

Nyte wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Nyte wrote:

FYI, I am at heart a true socialist (think resource based economy).  But in order to get through life in this age comfortably, you gotta be a capitalist.

well yes, yes you did call me an "anti-capitalist liberal" because i posted something a little bit critical of america. yes, you did. not "no".

and riiiiight. "at heart" you're a true socialist, except you have no conviction whatsoever in your beliefs, and you instead prefer bragging about your "success" and "lifestyle" on an internet forum. how are you in any way a socialist? it's pretty laughable to profess a belief on one hand and then practice something else entirely when it comes to real-life. that is completely contemptible.

I'm a socialist because of my beliefs, not actions (that sounds stupid I know).

My core socialist beliefs:
- Notion of unemployment should not exist, everyone gets a duty and abides by it for the betterment of society
- Notion of currency should not exist
- Everyone has the basic necessity of life
- Every duty everyone abides by has the same worth to society (a janitor can be just as required as a doctor)
- Rules/regulations/law still exists, and is decided by the majority of the people rather than a select few

There is no way that my actions can ever be reformed in any near future to abide by these beliefs.  So rather than attempt to "live by these beliefs" (which is impossible), I choose to live by whatever society I am living in right now.  It doesn't change what I truly believe to be a better society.

Obviously there are opponents to the the socialist doctrine (assuming they go by my definition of socialism).  I've heard them all:
- "oh but humans aren't like that, they are lazy and will take advantage"
- "there is no motivation for people to work or be doctors/engineers/scientists"
- "oh this will lead to anarchy"
- "technological innovation will be stifled and will slow to a crawl"
etc etc.

Until I see clear evidence that "true socialism" has failed, my beliefs still stand instead of all the conservative/liberal rhetoric (I don't consider liberals to be socialist, they are MORE socialist but they are still capitalists at heart).

sorry, but you are not a socialist. saying you 'agree' with the principles of an ideology but then only acting in the opposite is not 'being' something. it is 'being' the opposite, whilst acting as a mouthpiece for that which you simultaneously disown. hegel states that man should be judged by his own self-determined actions, in accordance with his own internal motives and ethics. hegel pretty much underpins all progressive/socialist thought. you are in no way a socialist. jesus man, you frequently come to this forum and, in completely petty and unrelated 'debates', make recourse to the "stfu, i am better than you IRL in every single way" ... "i have a better job, earn more money, am more qualified, drive a nicer car, and more good looking" etc. type spiel every time someone even makes a remark about something as dumb as your sniper stats.

but then you say

"Notion of currency should not exist" (fyi there is nothing in socialism that wants to abolish currency; exchange-value is the problem)
"Every duty everyone abides by has the same worth to society (a janitor can be just as required as a doctor)"

rolling on the floor laughing. you are bought and sold on that capitalist 'status symbol' and 'ostentatious lifestyle' shit as much as the next asian parvenu. people will think of you as a lesser human being for as long as you continue parroting some trendy-progressive ideology that you in no way practice or possess personal conviction for. that sort of flimsy thinking is what gets Jay hounded in this sub-forum almost every other day.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-04 08:38:35)

nobody on the planet is a socialist? really? plenty of people and governments are socialist. you're missing half of europe. you're missing a large portion of asian states. quite an odd statement, that. you can be 'socialist-democrat'. you don't have to be a hardcore trotsky fan. you seem to be confusing socialism with particularly hardcore and utopian forms of marxism.

nyte is easily the most deluded guy here. even when he first came back and the way he spoke of himself. could tell he was completely delusional. now he's in this debate forum professing to have some super-socialist "abandon currency" beliefs. lol my fucking god. the yuppie asian who works at AMD really, deep down, wants to abandon all currency. this guy makes jay look objective.

Nyte wrote:

There is no way that my actions can ever be reformed in any near future to abide by these beliefs.  So rather than attempt to "live by these beliefs" (which is impossible), I choose to live by whatever society I am living in right now.  It doesn't change what I truly believe to be a better society.

You're free to give away all your money and possessions and migrate to Cuba or Venezuela tomorrow and live the socialist dream.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-05-04 21:58:57)