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2013-03-13 04:25:57

#2226

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7078|Noizyland

AussieReaper wrote:
Ty wrote:
Loved it.

"So... your organisation is quite comfortable trashing basic journalistic standards like fairness and accuracy is it?"

Nothing more needs to be said. I could hug Leigh Sales.
You could see the wheels turn in his head as he contemplated the how best to brush it off and hope the rest of the interview didn't cruicify him.

He knew if he left the dead air for too much longer he'd have had to answer "yes".

Spark wrote:
I don't think most of us need an excuse to hug Leigh Sales tbh.

Appreciatively and platonicly of course, no rogue intrusions digging into her hip.

Seriously that interview will make me sleep easier. I've been seething all day over that shit News Ltd. and Fairfax is passing off as journalism. Even tabloid journalism has some standards, that article had none. No value whatsoever.

And I wasn't just mad because the Daily Telegraph website didn't publish my comment tearing down their bullshit while publishing multiple mindless natterings from people who backed them up. Although it was a big part in my mood. Fuckwits...

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2013-03-13 09:00:00

#2227

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Fucking hell she played her trump card without hesitation. I think you could put that down as the definition of "tearing a new arsehole" with that frst question. That was beautiful to watch.

2013-03-19 04:33:49

#2228

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Sky News, but anyway....

One Nation co-founder to sue Tony Abbott

A co-founder of the One Nation Party, David Ettridge, is planning to sue federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott for damages of more than $1.5 million.

Mr Ettridge has accused Mr Abbott of acting unlawfully in 1998 by assisting and encouraging litigation against One Nation in the Queensland courts.

He alleges the court action was false and malicious and the resulting damage affected him greatly.

He also accuses Mr Abbott of attempting to pervert the course of justice by providing lawyers 'to propel those false claims through the courts'.

'I will be filing a claim against Tony Abbott in the Brisbane Supreme Court seeking damages in excess of $1.5 million,' Mr Ettridge told AAP on Tuesday.

'I will also be asking the court to compel Mr Abbott to release the names of the people who contributed to Mr Abbott's 'Australians for Honest Politics Trust', so the trust can be fully examined for whatever contribution it made to any unlawful activity at that time.'

Mr Ettridge said he would be alleging that those donors became co-conspirators in Mr Abbott's actions.

He said Mr Abbott should face the allegations before he seeks to become Australia's next prime minister.

'If my claims are found by the court to be true then Mr Abbott may need to step aside and avoid bringing any embarrassment to the highest public office in Australia.

'For Mr Abbott, this is karma and I expect to be inundated by lawyers offering their services pro bono so I receive justice in this matter'.

Comment has been sought from Mr Abbott.

Please let this be true and go to court. Please.

2013-03-20 00:34:37

#2229

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7078|Noizyland

It's been a fairly infuriating week in Australian politics so far. Hard to believe it's only Wednesday. Last week was pretty entertaining too given the Daily Telegraph's outstanding display of what it is to truly suck at journalism.

Actually on that, can Australian journalists please stop speculating? Or at very least stop using the word speculating. Try using the word "guessing", it gives a more accurate picture of what it is you're trying to present as news. Speculations mean nothing to me. Nor do anonymous claims that aren't followed up on.

How easy would it have been for Peter Hartcher to check with Mark Butler or Bob Carr before reporting that they had both dropped their support for Julia Gillard? Probably would have been worth the effort given that both immediately contradicted the report and made him look like the worthless hack he is. Thing is if he checked with Carr and Butler he wouldn't have had a story and that's no good. "Carr and Butler stand by Julia Gillard" isn't a decent story and while it may be a bold faced lie to write "Key Minister Drop Support for Gillard" it's not like Hanlon or Fairfax would ever be held to account.

Not that Australia needs media reform though. Isn't that right Fairfax CEO Greg Hywood? I thought there was nothing wrong with the media in Australia. You know, aside from the fact that it prints speculation and opinion as news, thinks comparing Government ministers to Stalin is intelligent reporting, and fails completely to check sources or do any form of investigative journalism leading to an ignorant and uninformed populace who's views are shaped by the opinions of media bosses and utterly failing to perform its crucial duty - I could go on. Aside from that though it's hunky-dory.

So, right, according to the media Julia Gillard was replaced twice by Kevin Rudd last week and once by Bill Shorten. So far this week she's been replaced by Simon Crean while Rudd drums up support for his own bid.

Look, Gillard has been the Prime Minister now for over 1000 days. The one thing we can take from this is that every time someone, be it the media or the Coalition, brings up an imminent leadership change they have been dead fucking wrong. Every time.

Despite immeasurable amounts of 'speculation' Gillard is still there. You know who's not still there though?

Coalition member Terry Mills. NT Chief Minister ousted by then Minister Adam Giles after seven months.
Coalition member Ted Ballieu. Victorian Premier ousted by then Victorian MLA Denis Napthine after a little over two years.
Coalition member Richard Torbay. NSW independent MP lined up as the Federal Nationals candidate for New England. Sacked after revelations of dodgy dealings with Eddie Obeid.

If I didn't know better I'd suggest that the Coalition has plenty of problems of their own. Two Coalition Premiers inside the same month? No commercial media outlet wants to run with this story at all?

But maybe Gillard won't be there at the end of the week or the month or before the election. I don't know. What I do know is that I could wonder about it as much as I liked and still be no closer to getting anything remotely conclusive.

And all of it amounts to absolutely nothing. Not one media outlet predicted when Rudd would be ousted and so far every story suggesting the same for Gillard has been wrong. The media is feeding off its own bullshit while every now and then the Coalition gives it a push to keep the merry-go-round spinning.

"There are reports that..."

Yes of course there are. You're the ones creating them.

"There is speculation that..."

Yes of course there is. You're the ones fueling it.

"The Coalition are expecting..."

Yes of course they are. They're the ones who benefit from proliferating it.

This sort of stuff represents some of the worst journalistic practices there are; this technically-correct-factually-absent use of language which attempts to showcase opinion or rumour as something more than irrelevant. It's the sort of thing I was urged out of using in my writing back in high school and it's the sort of thing that destroys the credibility of any media outlet using it. It's fucking shameful. Moreso that the industry's leaders and a significant portion of the nation's politicians don't seem to have a problem with it.

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2013-03-20 06:30:37

#2230

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Ty wrote:
Two Coalition Premiers inside the same month? No commercial media outlet wants to run with this story at all?

Murdoch.

2013-03-20 19:28:41

#2231

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

"no one gives a fuck about state politics" more like. also, northern territory ffs.

meanwhile, in canberra...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 19:39:12

#2232

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

question time starts in twenty minutes. must-watch.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 19:48:16

#2233

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

if any of you americans/others want to see the hilarity which is a live leadership spill, abc24 has removed its geoblock.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 19:52:02

#2234

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Is this actually going to go ahead?

It's now or never.

2013-03-20 19:54:12

#2235

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

it's not confirmed but i'd be amazed. we're already seeing the first signs that rudd will be drafted and there are ways of calling a spill without julia doing it. might see an attempted no confidence motion in a few minutes.

my gut instinct is that she's a bit fucked, which is a bit sad imo. done some really good things in her time, tough tough lady.

Last edited by Spark (2013-03-20 19:54:39)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 20:05:03

#2236

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

spill at 4:30pm

i think she knows she's gone. giving basically a valedictory. sad to see. extraordinary that she fronted up to face qt.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 20:18:22

#2237

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5661|London, England

Y'all speak weird English.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-20 20:18:42

#2238

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

I think she knows she has to face it one way or the other or she's got no chance.

2013-03-20 20:19:40

#2239

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

I started to watch QT but I can't stand Abbott, so I turned it off

2013-03-20 20:21:29

#2240

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7078|Noizyland

Fuck work banning bf2s! Want to write about how fucking right I am!

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2013-03-20 20:22:49

#2241

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

Jay wrote:
Y'all speak weird English.

tony abbott? he's just weird full stop

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 20:27:03

#2242

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Just noticed an interesting comment. If there is a new PM by the end of today we could be going to the polls in May.

2013-03-20 20:28:33

#2243

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

could? it's highly likely. not only have the two key indies said they'd force an early election, one of them has a strong personal incentive - windsor is currently running unopposed!

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 20:31:05

#2244

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Rudd could just turn it all around. Abbott would then likely be knocked off by Turnbull.

2013-03-20 20:32:44

#2245

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

won't be time.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 22:22:16

#2246

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

bahahahahahahaha oh kevin

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-20 22:35:20

#2247

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5481|Sydney

Oh well. That was a lot of hype for what is likely to be nothing.

2013-03-20 23:05:00

#2248

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7078|Noizyland

Well, back from work, it was exciting there for a bit and I'm genuinely surprised at Rudd's decision not to challenge. I think he was waiting to see if the party would force him to and since they didn't he stuck to his guns. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few days, it could turn out to be a good strategy or the circus of it all could further cripple the Government.

Either way Tony probably dodged a bullet given the huge appreciation for Julia's apology while his own speech was marred by heckles due to an absent-minded faux pas.

Anyway for now I'd just like to say...

*dramatic pause*

Ty - on 21 Feb 2012 after the last leadership spill - wrote:
(Until Simon Crean decides he wants to backstab Gillard - you heard it here first.)

FUCKING. CALLED. IT. Over a fucking year and I fucking called it. All you Fairfax and News Ltd. fucks who make random unreasoned calls and act smug when one of them turns out correct, you're children yelling "green" at a stop light so you can convince yourself you're awesome when it changes. I am so much fucking better than you and I don't even live in the damn country or have the access to the sources you do.

It is okay though, I am a merciful champion. All you have to sacrifice to me is 10% of your yearly income and your freedom to use the word "slammed" as a replacement for the word "criticised". I've always hated that.

*victory dance*

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2013-03-20 23:38:01