Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4224
it's funny cause your "history lessons" focus on (in)direct political control, and such like consequences of american interventionism post-1990. but really neocolonialism/imperialism is defined by a complete lack of care about aforementioned political control. you are trying to disprove the usefulness of the term, whilst detailing at some length the exact reasons the term is valid. which, again, just merely highlights the fact you don't understand the term. "psychotic international business" IS exactly part of neocolonialist discourse: a level of foreign involvement that doesn't even care about regional/national politics, or exerting any sort of formal/political control - just, instead, laying the ground for fertile business relations, and a more open (and internationalised) market presence. the american industrial-military complex, and the obvious and oft-mentioned natural  resources, are major imperatives for the wars in the middle-east. just like american scorn of chavez and other central/south american states in 20th century history was about economic benefits, more so than any cold-war related political-ideological struggle.

please read the books. you diss academics and 'ivory towers' with the dumb logic of the grunt who thinks that, because he's stomped a few afghani children, and shot a few goatherds, is entitled to make policy in a senior position as part of a washington thinktank. all the military vets here have the same attitude: "you weren't there man" / "my experience informs a more extensive knowledge of geopolitical matters". half the grunts in iraq couldn't even pass a written exam to get into a decent college. please. tell me more about how academics are useless.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-03-09 12:27:00)

rdx-fx
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+955|6561

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

lol yes. i must go to iraq and shoot donkey herders in order to understand what the concept of 'neocolonialism' means.

you dumb fuck.
You are being completely fucking dense.

Did I say your prissy effeminate effete blue-blooded snobbish little ass should join the military?
No way. It is wholly beyond your capabilities. This is a given.

You look down your nose at soldiering, we get it.
Peasants and simpletons become soldiers, not proper nobility such as yourself...

I said, "Climb down from your Ivory Tower, go see the world" and "All your "propper" fucking books don't mean a goddamned thing if the person reading them lacks the experience and perspective to know what the fuck he's reading".

You want to discuss things with people that have "read the proper books", then fuck off to your Ivory Tower and circle-jerk with the academia.

Again, you show your youth and inexperience.
You continually misrepresent what I've written, instead going off on your vain little hissy fits to masturbate your own ego.

"you diss academics" - No, dumbass, I'm telling YOU that YOU lack experience and perspective.
For an educated man, you certainly have a difficult time parsing complete thoughts without wandering off into your own imagination.

Education without experience leads to theorists divorced from reality.
"please read the books.", "dumb logic of the grunt", "all the military vets here have the same attitude", "couldn't even pass a written exam"
Holy shit.. could you be any more of a condescending egotistical little punk?

"please. tell me more about how academics are useless. "
No, that's your own little creation there.
MY view is that academics without practical experience & perspective are useless
This is coming from my engineering education & experience, and my medical education & experience.
rdx-fx
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+955|6561

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

it's funny cause your "history lessons" focus on (in)direct political control, and such like consequences of american interventionism post-1990. but really neocolonialism/imperialism is defined by a complete lack of care about aforementioned political control. you are trying to disprove the usefulness of the term, whilst detailing at some length the exact reasons the term is valid. which, again, just merely highlights the fact you don't understand the term. "psychotic international business" IS exactly part of neocolonialist discourse: a level of foreign involvement that doesn't even care about regional/national politics, or exerting any sort of formal/political control - just, instead, laying the ground for fertile business relations, and a more open (and internationalised) market presence. the american industrial-military complex, and the obvious and oft-mentioned natural  resources, are major imperatives for the wars in the middle-east. just like american scorn of chavez and other central/south american states in 20th century history was about economic benefits, more so than any cold-war related political-ideological struggle.

please read the books. you diss academics and 'ivory towers' with the dumb logic of the grunt who thinks that, because he's stomped a few afghani children, and shot a few goatherds, is entitled to make policy in a senior position as part of a washington thinktank. all the military vets here have the same attitude: "you weren't there man" / "my experience informs a more extensive knowledge of geopolitical matters". half the grunts in iraq couldn't even pass a written exam to get into a decent college. please. tell me more about how academics are useless.
I get your point in the first paragraph.
I understand the term just fine.
I still think you refuse to grasp the distinction I'm making.

Your first paragraph is actually rather well written and level headed.
In your second paragraph, you're just being an irritating irrational little twat.
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4224
right. theorists divorced from reality. yet your experience in the dustbowl counts for more when it comes to 'understanding' us foreign policy and the white house thinking, more so than an ivy league post-colonial prof. ok. what was that about "wandering off into imaginations..." ???
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4224
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_StqZhMCGHU/UFdS2X0hB7I/AAAAAAAAAE4/X-gUIGBNadg/s1600/saddam-statue-190308_20527s1.jpg
rdx-fx
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+955|6561
My "experience in the dustbowl" boils down to a few key observations.

  • The Haves are running over the Have Nots of the world. It's not that hate them, it's not that they don't give a damn about them, it's that they don't even think of them at all.
  • "There is more wrong done in the world by Apathy than by Malice"
  • Generals make poor statesmen, and politicians make poor military planners
  • Colonels with a Plan are the mother of all fuckups
  • The more money involved in a project, the less common sense and compassion play a role
  • The biggest problem with national governments is that it attracts politicians obsessed with ONLY power & control, purely for the sake of power & control.  People interested in fairness, compassion, and such get run the fuck over by the psychos on a mad obsessive quest for power, control, and money.
  • "The only thing that saves us from bureaucracy is their inefficiency"
  • Good people get mangled and dead, bad people don't get what they deserve, and apathetic people just keep being mindless drones
  • Take away a people's pride, future, jobs, and infrastructure and you will have violence.  Religion, culture, politics, nationalism, and everything else are just excuses used to rationalize the violence.
  • The world is random, capricious, violent, and unfair. If you find a corner of the world with the persistent illusion of fairness, peace, and sanity - protect it with your life.
  • An inexperienced Private is a danger to himself and a few others. An inexperience officer is dangerous to many others.
  • Helicopters are the most perfect target ever invented
  • You can never be where you're supposed to be, with all the equipment you need.  If you're where you're supposed to be, you didn't bring enough equipment.  If you have all the equipment, there's no way you can get it all where you need to be.  This is infinitely magnified in the case of medical gear & trauma medicine.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2013-03-09 15:04:52)

Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5555

rdx-fx wrote:

My "experience in the dustbowl" boils down to a few key observations.

  • The Haves are running over the Have Nots of the world. It's not that hate them, it's not that they don't give a damn about them, it's that they don't even think of them at all.
  • "There is more wrong done in the world by Apathy than by Malice"
  • Generals make poor statesmen, and politicians make poor military planners
  • Colonels with a Plan are the mother of all fuckups
  • The more money involved in a project, the less common sense and compassion play a role
  • The biggest problem with national governments is that it attracts politicians obsessed with ONLY power & control, purely for the sake of power & control.  People interested in fairness, compassion, and such get run the fuck over by the psychos on a mad obsessive quest for power, control, and money.
  • "The only thing that saves us from bureaucracy is their inefficiency"
  • Good people get mangled and dead, bad people don't get what they deserve, and apathetic people just keep being mindless drones
  • Take away a people's pride, future, jobs, and infrastructure and you will have violence.  Religion, culture, politics, nationalism, and everything else are just excuses used to rationalize the violence.
  • The world is random, capricious, violent, and unfair. If you find a corner of the world with the persistent illusion of fairness, peace, and sanity - protect it with your life.
  • An inexperienced Private is a danger to himself and a few others. An inexperience officer is dangerous to many others.
  • Helicopters are the most perfect target ever invented
  • You can never be where you're supposed to be, with all the equipment you need.  If you're where you're supposed to be, you didn't bring enough equipment.  If you have all the equipment, there's no way you can get it all where you need to be.  This is infinitely magnified in the case of medical gear & trauma medicine.
No one cares.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6467

about your love affair with atg, retard. fuck off
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5555

Things are going to be awkward at the yacht club come Sunday.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6467

Macbeth wrote:

Things are going to be awkward at the yacht club come Sunday.
things are going to be awkward when his mexican maid realizes atg has been 20-timing him with puerto rican immigrants - retarded ones at that
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5555

"Speaking entirely from an American perspective here. In general, "support our troops" is a propaganda phrase that carries the meaning of "don't criticize our military efforts" while sounding more agreeable. This concept that to be a soldier comes with some sort of immutable honor and is deserving of eternal deference and gratitude is now so ingrained in our culture that it takes a rare kind of person to even see what it is that being a soldier really means. This concept won't enter the mainstream until the majority of our citizens agree that killing a non-American is as bad as killing an American. We don't value other people's lives. We barely value our own if they're not the "right" combo of race/class/creed.

I remember last year Chris Hayes made the entirely appropriate and accurate suggestion that calling every single soldier a "hero" is wrong and warps the discussion so that you can't possibly denigrate the wars without denigrating our national, sacred heroes. He quickly had to disown his words and publish an apology. I think he also apologized on air. I'm still not sure exactly what for, except that you can't exist as a public figure in this country if you express sentiment suggesting our trained killers are anything less than paragons of virtue and righteousness.

Full disclosure and on a personal note, I joined the Air Force when I was 19. I did it because I had no direction and it was somewhat of a family tradition. During basic training, people were asked why they joined, and a common sentiment was a desire to kill Arabs and Muslims. I was horrified at the time even though I was philosophically and politically ignorant. In the build-up to the Iraq invasion, the sentiment among every single one of my coworkers at my first assignment was that we should just "nuke the entire region and turn it into a parking lot." While I'm only talking about the people I knew and not everyone in the military, it seems a certain type of person does gravitate to that line of work. And it's a type of person I tend not to want to "support" if it means anything outside of paying my taxes and generally being in favor of strong veterans benefits."
I agree. God damn America
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5328|London, England
No one cares.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5555

How does it feel to have sold your soul for a few thousands dollars?
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,736|6707|Oxferd Ohire
You'd sell it for an Asian.
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4224

RTHKI wrote:

You'd sell it for an Asian.
i think macb has the solid higher ground, here.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6076|eXtreme to the maX

rdx-fx wrote:

If you want a fixed point in history where the model fundamentally changed, it would be the 1990 Gulf War.
We didn't "liberate" Kuwait, or bring "freedom" to Iraq.
We didn't change any cultures.
No, we went in, gave Kuwait back to the same royal assholes that ran it before Saddam made a land grab.
Then we left Saddam in control of Iraq (for the time being).
.
I suppose thats a bit better than destabilising democratically elected but socialist governments and putting in place brutal anti-democratic but 'business friendly' dictators.

In that respect America has made a little progress.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
rdx-fx
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+955|6561

13urnzz wrote:

about your love affair with atg, retard. fuck off
What is your major fucking delusion?

I have nothing to do with your lovers feud with ATG.
I have nothing to do with you.

Take your crazy somewhere else.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6684|US

Macbeth wrote:

"Speaking entirely from an American perspective here. In general, "support our troops" is a propaganda phrase that carries the meaning of "don't criticize our military efforts" while sounding more agreeable. This concept that to be a soldier comes with some sort of immutable honor and is deserving of eternal deference and gratitude is now so ingrained in our culture that it takes a rare kind of person to even see what it is that being a soldier really means. This concept won't enter the mainstream until the majority of our citizens agree that killing a non-American is as bad as killing an American. We don't value other people's lives. We barely value our own if they're not the "right" combo of race/class/creed.

I remember last year Chris Hayes made the entirely appropriate and accurate suggestion that calling every single soldier a "hero" is wrong and warps the discussion so that you can't possibly denigrate the wars without denigrating our national, sacred heroes. He quickly had to disown his words and publish an apology. I think he also apologized on air. I'm still not sure exactly what for, except that you can't exist as a public figure in this country if you express sentiment suggesting our trained killers are anything less than paragons of virtue and righteousness.

Full disclosure and on a personal note, I joined the Air Force when I was 19. I did it because I had no direction and it was somewhat of a family tradition. During basic training, people were asked why they joined, and a common sentiment was a desire to kill Arabs and Muslims. I was horrified at the time even though I was philosophically and politically ignorant. In the build-up to the Iraq invasion, the sentiment among every single one of my coworkers at my first assignment was that we should just "nuke the entire region and turn it into a parking lot." While I'm only talking about the people I knew and not everyone in the military, it seems a certain type of person does gravitate to that line of work. And it's a type of person I tend not to want to "support" if it means anything outside of paying my taxes and generally being in favor of strong veterans benefits."
I agree. God damn America
What was your AFSC?
...and how do you reach your last sentence from that?  Isn't that just as bad as the opinions expressed toward the ME?
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6192|Escea

So, about them drones...
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6659|Tampa Bay Florida

Macbeth wrote:

"Speaking entirely from an American perspective here. In general, "support our troops" is a propaganda phrase that carries the meaning of "don't criticize our military efforts" while sounding more agreeable. This concept that to be a soldier comes with some sort of immutable honor and is deserving of eternal deference and gratitude is now so ingrained in our culture that it takes a rare kind of person to even see what it is that being a soldier really means. This concept won't enter the mainstream until the majority of our citizens agree that killing a non-American is as bad as killing an American. We don't value other people's lives. We barely value our own if they're not the "right" combo of race/class/creed.

I remember last year Chris Hayes made the entirely appropriate and accurate suggestion that calling every single soldier a "hero" is wrong and warps the discussion so that you can't possibly denigrate the wars without denigrating our national, sacred heroes. He quickly had to disown his words and publish an apology. I think he also apologized on air. I'm still not sure exactly what for, except that you can't exist as a public figure in this country if you express sentiment suggesting our trained killers are anything less than paragons of virtue and righteousness.

Full disclosure and on a personal note, I joined the Air Force when I was 19. I did it because I had no direction and it was somewhat of a family tradition. During basic training, people were asked why they joined, and a common sentiment was a desire to kill Arabs and Muslims. I was horrified at the time even though I was philosophically and politically ignorant. In the build-up to the Iraq invasion, the sentiment among every single one of my coworkers at my first assignment was that we should just "nuke the entire region and turn it into a parking lot." While I'm only talking about the people I knew and not everyone in the military, it seems a certain type of person does gravitate to that line of work. And it's a type of person I tend not to want to "support" if it means anything outside of paying my taxes and generally being in favor of strong veterans benefits."
I agree. God damn America
Who are you quoting there?
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6662

Macbeth wrote:

"Speaking entirely from an American perspective here. In general, "support our troops" is a propaganda phrase that carries the meaning of "don't criticize our military efforts" while sounding more agreeable. This concept that to be a soldier comes with some sort of immutable honor and is deserving of eternal deference and gratitude is now so ingrained in our culture that it takes a rare kind of person to even see what it is that being a soldier really means. This concept won't enter the mainstream until the majority of our citizens agree that killing a non-American is as bad as killing an American. We don't value other people's lives. We barely value our own if they're not the "right" combo of race/class/creed.

I remember last year Chris Hayes made the entirely appropriate and accurate suggestion that calling every single soldier a "hero" is wrong and warps the discussion so that you can't possibly denigrate the wars without denigrating our national, sacred heroes. He quickly had to disown his words and publish an apology. I think he also apologized on air. I'm still not sure exactly what for, except that you can't exist as a public figure in this country if you express sentiment suggesting our trained killers are anything less than paragons of virtue and righteousness.

Full disclosure and on a personal note, I joined the Air Force when I was 19. I did it because I had no direction and it was somewhat of a family tradition. During basic training, people were asked why they joined, and a common sentiment was a desire to kill Arabs and Muslims. I was horrified at the time even though I was philosophically and politically ignorant. In the build-up to the Iraq invasion, the sentiment among every single one of my coworkers at my first assignment was that we should just "nuke the entire region and turn it into a parking lot." While I'm only talking about the people I knew and not everyone in the military, it seems a certain type of person does gravitate to that line of work. And it's a type of person I tend not to want to "support" if it means anything outside of paying my taxes and generally being in favor of strong veterans benefits."
I agree. God damn America
It's unfair to single out America in an almost unbroken line of dominator societies since the Neolithic. Centralizing your hate onto an ideology such as American Pride is a waste of time.

The key to the whole soldier pride thing is the warrior ethic that predates the concept of the military. That is an ethic that soldiers can be honored for. Of course, not every soldier acts like or is a warrior.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2013-03-12 15:14:56)

m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6641|UK
just google a sentence, its the first response.  mac cite ur sauces faygit.

http://np.reddit.com/r/SRSDiscussion/co … t_the_war/
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4224
http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/03/20/ju … ng-drones/

"The US government skews the civilian casualty figures by considering all military-age males in a strike zone to be militants unless ‘they can be posthumously proved otherwise"
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6076|eXtreme to the maX
Neat, that should really help their SPM.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!

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