=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6769|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth
Now, let me begin by saying that this isn't intended to flame anyone or cause troll-like arguments but seeing as Chuy shuts down a topic if it doesn't fit his opinion, I thought I needed to say this.

First of all, you made a comment before about how BF2s.com website, forums and server are all private property so you'll do whatever you liked.  You made out like you owned everything and I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you don't.  "This Forum" is not owned by you but by punBB and always will be (Okay you own the forum itself but not the licence, which legally speaking is the forum). You are free to use THEIR software but you are always subordinated to them and bound by their GNU (General Public License). 

Furthermore, the server this forum is hosted on isn't your either.  Now I may be wrong, but the storage, speed, and overall feel of the site points to a rented server (unless you've got massive storage space at home and loads of cash to buy this sort of equipment).  Thus, you are renting the server and not owning it.  Big difference.

Of course none of this changes the fact that you set it up and are free the adminstrate it how you like but I felt I had to say something because sometimes your words make you sound a bit egotistical and as if we should admire how hard it is to set up a punBB forum (it isn't by the way).   I could go on using your strange anology comparing a house to a website and the difference between renting and owning, but seeing as it was such a bad connection to make in the first place I'll leave that one.....

I don't have a beef with you really, you just sometimes remind me of those BF2 server admins that kick you if you take their helicopter or kill them two times in a row.  Being an administrator of a forum (albeit a very good one) does not make you God or the head of an international company and sometimes that's how you try to act. 

Keep up the good work, just post rules, post rules, post rules.  If something crops up that's not in the rules and you don't like it, update the rules and give that person a warning.  People like this site and part of being a good manager is to respect and listen to your customers.   How long would I last in business if I threw people out for breaking rules that I just made up on the spot? 

Peace out and spread the love.....
Poncho
and I'm not a raincoat...
+91|6926|NL

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Furthermore, the server this forum is hosted on isn't your either.  Now I may be wrong, but the storage, speed, and overall feel of the site points to a rented server (unless you've got massive storage space at home and loads of cash to buy this sort of equipment).  Thus, you are renting the server and not owning it.  Big difference
Aahh, I know that one. He bought it himself! There is a topic about it in the News Section. The killer machine had 16 GB if I'm right.

Here it is: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=10772
pedigreeuk
I'm English, not British!
+113|6989|Rotherham, England
*sit and stare's polarbearz style at yet another useless topic*

Cant quite get what you're tryin to get at here, if your after rules go here http://forums.bf2s.com/misc.php?action=rules
And with regard to it being hard to set up a forum using PunBB, no thats not overly difficult, but you try combining that with what this site actually does (a FREE stat retrieval service just incase you forgot) and how much hard work has gone into that, the you might have a little more respect for the site!

Last edited by pedigreeuk (2006-05-26 05:05:59)

anzus
Wheres the trigger?
+34|6862|Wangaratta, Australia
wish he still had the pics up of it, never seen so much ram in one machine ever! Was awesome sight of power!!!!
imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|6987|Human Meat Shield
I was lost at " Now let me begin..."

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Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7028|Nårvei

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Now, let me begin by saying blah blah blah blah etc etc etc etc etc blah blah blah.....
Does it matter - rly ?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
JaM3z
Banned
+311|6929
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imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|6987|Human Meat Shield
Heart Attack likes closing threads....he'll be on soon....but anyway:

https://f5.putfile.com/5/14508075634.gif
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7028|Nårvei

Polarbearz is not a Mod - thank G !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
JaM3z
Banned
+311|6929
https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/289/icare0ki.jpg

NOT

come on mods... where are you when we need you!
^*AlphA*^
F*ckers
+3,135|6957|The Hague, Netherlands

Srry needed to get a coke

lol, but =OBS= EstebanRey, if you have a prob with chuy or something contact him about it, PM is here.

thank you

closed
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chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7066|"Frisco"

I'll open this back up because I don't mind a little 'uprising' debate. It seems to have been cropping up the past few days.

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

First of all, you made a comment before about how BF2s.com website, forums and server are all private property so you'll do whatever you liked.  You made out like you owned everything and I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you don't.  "This Forum" is not owned by you but by punBB and always will be (Okay you own the forum itself but not the licence, which legally speaking is the forum). You are free to use THEIR software but you are always subordinated to them and bound by their GNU (General Public License).
http://docs.punbb.org/faq.html#license

True, I only have a license to the software -- however, I can do whatever I want with it. I can sell access to these forums, modify, destory, w/e I want with the software. Heck, I can even take out the publicly visible attribution! (Not that I'm going to.)

Additionally, the punbb fellas CAN'T revoke my copy of this software now. They can release later versions of this program under more specific and controlling terms, but what I have *right no* is *mine* now. So, while tecnically, I don't own the software that runs these forums, it's close enough to it that it's a moot point.

Furthermore, the server this forum is hosted on isn't your either.  Now I may be wrong, but the storage, speed, and overall feel of the site points to a rented server (unless you've got massive storage space at home and loads of cash to buy this sort of equipment).  Thus, you are renting the server and not owning it.  Big difference.
As others have pointed out, you are very wrong. Additional points for insulting the speed of the site which supports more than 300 requests PER SECOND while managing to serve pages up, on average, in less than 0.1 seconds. (That's the little timer number at the bottom of page, fyi.)

I do own the server and the bandwidth I pay for is owned, in that sense, as well.


sometimes your words make you sound a bit egotistical and as if we should admire how hard it is to set up a punBB forum (it isn't by the way).
You, of the 16,000 people here, have the honor of being the first to accuse me of being 'egotistical'. I don't often toot my own horn, but I'll forego for the moment and say that I do think I've built something awesome here. Next time you build a site that traffics this much with this many people around, please, criticize me then. Except, you won't, because you'll be in the same boat as me.


I could go on using your strange anology comparing a house to a website and the difference between renting and owning, but seeing as it was such a bad connection to make in the first place I'll leave that one.....
The whole point of that bad analogy was to try to educate that this *is* private property just like a home or a building or even a parcel of land. Who I choose to let on my property, and what I chose to allow them to do is completely up to me*.


I don't have a beef with you really, you just sometimes remind me of those BF2 server admins that kick you if you take their helicopter or kill them two times in a row.  Being an administrator of a forum (albeit a very good one) does not make you God or the head of an international company and sometimes that's how you try to act.
=OBS= EstebanRey
    Member
    Stats - XFire
    Karma: 19
    Registered: 2006-05-22
You have been here all of 96 hours and you think you're already fit to pass judgement on me?


Keep up the good work, just post rules, post rules, post rules.  If something crops up that's not in the rules and you don't like it, update the rules and give that person a warning.
Gee, thanks I hadn't quite figured out how to run a forums in over the last year. Obviously.


People like this site and part of being a good manager is to respect and listen to your customers.
You obviously have not visited this forum.

How long would I last in business if I threw people out for breaking rules that I just made up on the spot?
Depends on how many people you throw out. Every business has rules and unspoken rules. And you can and will get your chops busted for breaking both. Welcome to life.



* = of course, that's not to say that illegal activitis off the proprty suddenly *I* can make legal. It just means I can restrict things further.
^*AlphA*^
F*ckers
+3,135|6957|The Hague, Netherlands

well alright you could answer like that chuy lol (PM could have worked too)
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King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6816|Seattle

That's it. I'm buying Chuy another beer.

*Clicks Paypal again*
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7066|"Frisco"

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

well alright you could answer like that chuy lol (PM could have worked too)
If he wanted to PM he would have started with a PM.
^*AlphA*^
F*ckers
+3,135|6957|The Hague, Netherlands

chuyskywalker wrote:

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

well alright you could answer like that chuy lol (PM could have worked too)
If he wanted to PM he would have started with a PM.
If he "wanted" yes but i only made a suggestion
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{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6796|Florida

imdead wrote:

Heart Attack likes closing threads....he'll be on soon....but anyway:

http://f5.putfile.com/5/14508075634.gif
ha ha, funny pic

lmao, good work chuy...........pwned like no other

Last edited by {BMF}*Frank_The_Tank (2006-05-26 10:05:36)

Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|6809|Your attic

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Now, let me begin by saying that this isn't intended to flame anyone or cause troll-like arguments but seeing as Chuy shuts down a topic if it doesn't fit his opinion, I thought I needed to say this.

yadda yadda yadda
No, just no, as everyone who frequents this site knows, chuy has put more time then I dare to even think about to this site. It has probobly become the most popular place for players of BF2 to check their stats and these forums are some of the best I've ever posted in, sure people suck up to chuy, this site makes life slightly more enjoyable, wouldn't you like to thank him for that??

Further more unlike many of lifes little pleasures, this site is entirely free, even though this site runs mostly off donations (I presume) there is only a small white box in the top right corner to show that, no massive titles proclaiming that you have to donate, even further more there is very little advertising (only place I can think of off hand is the stat pages) and is just generally a uninterupeted.

So please before you start slagging chuy (or anything for that matter) off, would you just take a moment to think before you press that submit button?
Kung Jew
That one mod
+331|6964|Houston, TX
Whaddya mean?  Are you saying Nyte doesn't own this too?

HOLY CRAP!  I'm so misinformed!

(grumble, grumble, grumble, something about delusions of granduer, grumble, grumble, sarcasm)



KJ
BellusEndus
Make love not war
+59|6842|Edinburg
I get the impression he was oblivious to the whole stats system thingy going on.......oh wait, is that really the purpose of this site?
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6868
i think this site is great and i think nobody should critisize chuy.. i just have one requst.. can u put how many hours per day u play back on..
claydawg
Chuck Norris' Homeboy
+85|6841|Oxford, MS
Keep up the great work Chuy!  You can't please all the people all the time.  You're pleasing enough of the people enough of the time.
BellusEndus
Make love not war
+59|6842|Edinburg

claydawg wrote:

Keep up the great work Chuy!  You can't please all the people all the time.  You're pleasing enough of the people enough of the time.
I'd say more than enough, theres always gonna be a few rotten apples when you've got thousands of visitors.....shame on them.
rushanddie
Member
+1|6893
here all along i thought the s in www.bf2s.com was just to make it plural. Wow it actualy stand sfot stats amazing who would have thought that. lol  now what did you think this site was all about when you first came here its all about the stats the forums are just kind of like a bonus where you can express your opinions even if they are wrong
kkolodsick
Member
+14|6885
Just like is always said in the forums when someone is complaining about an asshat admin:  Find another server.

If you don't like what Chuy is doing or has done, find somewhere else to do your BF2 stuff.

I don't post here much but read a lot, I can tell by the site that Chuy puts a tremendous amount of work.  Has he ever asked you for $ to help pay for it? 

Thanks Chuy for making/maintaining this site so that noobs like me can learn and hopefully not be noobs any longer.

LONG LIVE CHUY

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