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aynrandroolz wrote:

american delusion. to call the iraq-afghan wars a 'third world war' shows just how inflated america's sense of conflict (and by extension, importance) really is.

9/11 was not an 'unprovoked' attack. it was america finally, after nearly half a century of neo-imperialist rule and foreign-policy intereference, finally reaping what it had sowed.

ditto the financial crash. an elementary education in middle-east history and in 1980's->2000's economic policy will show you clearly enough why america was to become the single greatest locus for islamic hatred, and why a huge financial sector bubble was long due a prickly pinned pop-cum-detonation.

rdx-fx wrote:

Oh, and the British Mandate of Palestine in 1917, the founding of a homeland for European Jews displaced by pogroms in Europe, the European Holocaust, and making the state of Israel.

aynrandroolz wrote:

american delusion. to call the iraq-afghan wars a 'third world war' shows just how inflated america's sense of conflict (and by extension, importance) really is. 


  9/11 was not an 'unprovoked' attack. it was america finally, after nearly half a century of neo-imperialist rule and foreign-policy intereference, finally reaping what it had sowed.  an elementary education in middle-east history and in 1980's->2000's economic policy will show you clearly enough why america was to become the single greatest locus for islamic hatred.

The feared fiscal cliff was at hand Monday night, with nothing expected to pass Congress before a combination of tax increases and spending cuts starts to kick in at midnight.

A deal to avert that combination, which economists warn could push the U.S. economy back into recession, was "within sight" on Monday afternoon, President Barack Obama said. And in the Senate, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told members that they were "very, very close" to a deal, having worked out an agreement on taxes.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said senators "are hoping to vote tonight" on some package to avert the cliff. But the House of Representatives adjourned without voting on anything Monday -- and Obama's remarks earlier Monday, in which he chided Congress and warned that battles over spending still loomed, hit a nerve among several Republicans in the Senate.

"They are close, but they're not there yet," Obama said. "And one thing we can count on with respect to this Congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second."

Obama said the deal now on the table would prevent a tax increase for the overwhelming majority of Americans, extend the child tax and tuition credits for families as well as those for clean-energy companies, and extend unemployment benefits for 2 million people. But even then, he said lawmakers still have to figure out how to mitigate the possible damage from sharp spending cuts that are scheduled to start biting January 2, when the federal government reopens after the New Year's holiday.

In an article in Sunday’s Washington Post, former Clinton-era economic adviser Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard University public policy lecturer Linda J. Bilmes say that the Iraq war forced the US to take on more debt than it had to, and caused in part the rising oil prices that resulted in large amounts of money flowing out of the US economy.

To counter the effects of those trends, fiscal policy makers had to keep interest rates unnaturally low, causing the securities and real estate bubbles that burst at the start of the recession, the authors say.

The authors also amended their assessment from several years ago that the Iraq war’s true cost is around $3 trillion, saying new information suggests that the cost goes “beyond” that estimate.

aynrandroolz wrote:

A2TG2 wrote:

9/11

That was an event perpetrated by globalist to unleash a third world war that we are now in the middle of.

american delusion. to call the iraq-afghan wars a 'third world war' shows just how inflated america's sense of conflict (and by extension, importance) really is. it is also a gross disrespect to those who served and died in the first two world wars to insist that a little romp around the desert against a bunch of tribal goatlords is anything near the deployment and devastation of a 'third world war'. or as if anything near as much is at stake (cries of neo-con "freedom" in today's case are merely propagandist and fear-mongering - arguably so in the first two world wars, too, if you're adopting the position of a cynic; but real territory and real power was at stake). this isn't even another vietnam, and vietnam was far from a fuckin' world war. feel free to call it that though to over-inflate the crisis and thus assuage your humiliation-in-failure. this is america trying to play toy empire in the sandbowl and failing, miserably, is all. 'the coalition' was more like a farcical neo-imperialist world police nee naw'ing onto the scene after a made-for-tv terrorist disaster; hardly the allies vs. the axis. the 'axis of evil' here - much like in the cold war - is largely imaginary and phantasmal in its threat. if there's anything that the expensive and painfully protracted "war on terror" has taught us over the last decade, it's that the "global terror network" is mostly a collective fiction... one penned ironically enough by CIA black propaganda, decades previous. you bought into your own self-concocted nightmare.

shifty, america's twin-blow (in domestic market and in world security) were both ticking time-bombs. it wasn't as if one day, suddenly and spontaneously, everything just unraveled. 9/11 was not an 'unprovoked' attack. it was america finally, after nearly half a century of neo-imperialist rule and foreign-policy intereference, finally reaping what it had sowed. ditto the financial crash. an elementary education in middle-east history and in 1980's->2000's economic policy will show you clearly enough why america was to become the single greatest locus for islamic hatred, and why a huge financial sector bubble was long due a prickly pinned pop-cum-detonation.

What event marks the end of the Post Cold war American prosperity?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

aynrandroolz wrote:

2) jay's particular life path does involve cynically using the military's financial schemes as a 'gravytrain' and free ride through college funding. never once did my post even remotely suggest that all soldiers are on the gravytrain. never once did i make it some anti-military anti-us inane rant. very specifically highlighting jay's continued and shining cognitive dissonance. my cousin 2 months ago finally got into the royal marines, and has spent his festive season on a freezing mountain somewhere, catching hypothermia and being hospitalized. i respect military service, even if it's not for me. the 'gravytrain' comment is specifically about jay's principles: hating on welfare handouts whilst sailing through college via the path of least financial resistance... even if that involves going into a warzone to fight in a conflict he didn't believe in. VERY different to what you got so angry over (i.e. nothing).

aynrandroolz wrote:

let me know when i'm in my mid-30's, sniping people's lifestyle choices.

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