KEN-JENNINGS
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cool.  That radio host seems like an asshole.  I'm not sure what the point of this video is, except to tell us Romney is anti-abortion and a Mormon, both things you should already know if you're posting in this thread.
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Romney is going to win.
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A good piece which more or less articulates my thoughts on the matter;

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/2 … -which-one
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Spearhead
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13urnzz wrote:

it's amazing to me, that the republican nominee for president isn't up by 10 points with the election 3 days out. oh yeah, the rominee is Rmoney. with all the hate and vitriol the right has for obama, you would have thought they could have fielded a better candidate. hell, looking at their primary this year, it's as if the republicants trotted out the slowest, weakest, the ones that lost in a game of tag.

and it's still a toss up election. amazing.
You're right, it's stunning that Obama is not losing by landslide numbers.
west-phoenix-az
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Spearhead wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

it's amazing to me, that the republican nominee for president isn't up by 10 points with the election 3 days out. oh yeah, the rominee is Rmoney. with all the hate and vitriol the right has for obama, you would have thought they could have fielded a better candidate. hell, looking at their primary this year, it's as if the republicants trotted out the slowest, weakest, the ones that lost in a game of tag.

and it's still a toss up election. amazing.
You're right, it's stunning that Obama is not losing by landslide numbers.
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Frank Reynolds
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the govt is doing a shit job of hurricane sandy.  look at staten island and yet they are having a marathon instead.


hell of job, brownie

lol just saw a pic of two huge generators rented by the marathon just sitting there doing nothing.  good job nobama.

Last edited by Frank Reynolds (2012-11-02 13:13:21)

What are you looking at dicknose
west-phoenix-az
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Frank Reynolds wrote:

the govt is doing a shit job
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Jay
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Just a few things that come to mind while reading this thread that aren't exactly in response to any one person:

1.  Romney being Mormon.

So what?  He is a member of a weirdo cult.  Obama doesn't seem to be a member of anything (with the exception of Rev. Wrights wacko squad), Bush was an extreme evangelical, Kennedy was a catholic and Jimmy Carter might as well have been a Baptist preacher in Smallville Alabama then president.  Fact of the matter is, the separation of church and state should extend to the presidency in my opinion and I could really care less what faith they were as long as it doesn't factor into decisions or policies.

2.  Using the media as a source or to prove an opinion.

In short, using a MSNBC op ed is just about as retarded as using a FOXNews op ed as a tool to make a point.  Both are so incredibly biased that it just makes you look like an absolute fool (a tool as well).  People seem to have lost the ability to debate their point of view by talking about the issues of a conservative or liberal perspective and instead just find the 2 minute soundbite that contains the most "zingers".  I would love to actually have a discussion about the actual issues and why we lean one way or the other without having to listen to a Keith Olbermann or Bill O'Reilly soundbite. 

3.  Perhaps a thread reboot is in order.

Who are you going to vote for and why?

I personally will be voting for Romney.  I will vote this way for several reasons, they are as follows:

1. Mr. Romney's election will mean the industry I am in will ramp up.  Being in the oil industry, business is bad when Democrats are in office.  Due to the Democrats position on the environment, regulations and stances on drilling on federal land, business slows.  Republicans in office is always a boon to my industry.  Vetoing the Keystone in my opinion, was a massive blunder and cost many, many Americans jobs and potential jobs.

2.  Gun control.  I am an avid supporter of the 2nd amendment and as a gun owner of many firearms and my hobby of competitive shooting and hunting, a candidate that suggests bans on firearms of any type or stiffer gun control laws simply makes my life more complicated. 

3.  The supreme court.  The fact that several supreme court justices are just about to their expiration dates has people like myself worried about the next ones coming in and who will select them.  As a conservative, I obviously would like to see justices put into office that are more in line with my ideological leanings.  This also affects reason number 2.

4.  The culture of hate towards the wealthy.  Something I'm rather tired of seeing.  With a leader like Obama in power and the current economic outlook, adding another enormous government program into the mix doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  The people that support it are the same type of people who participated in the 99% rallies.  These people disgust me.  I am very against hand outs and I have no pity for anyone who hates a successful person because they are not.  Not to mention, in the current tax bracket I'm in, damn near half of my check goes to taxes, so while I'm busting my ass all day for essentially half the money I earn, these people say I should be taxed more.  No thanks.



I'd love to hear from the rest of you on who you are voting for and why.

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FatherTed
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re; gun control as far as i saw (euro, pres debates), they both seem to have the same stance on control (no AR's)

re; supreme court (again as euro), what's up with it?

re; wealthy hate (again, as lol euro), i'm not really picking up those vibes. i get the whole 'you didn't build it' thing, but thats a soundbite.

re; who are you, who are you?

re; romney;

given the influence america exerts on the world, and the influence it enjoys having on the world you really do have to consider foreign relations when you vote. you get support in whatever wars, embargos or initives you decide to pursue primairly from north/western europe. Romny did not make a good impression. Even the solid right wing papers over here do not want romney (well except the mail, but they also don't want non blue-eyed, fair skinned persons either). And do you (america) honestly want to be dragged into another set of wars? he does seem awfully keen to piss off Iran and China, both of who are not quite the hearts+minds, you only have ak47's Afgan and Iraq were.

From the outside in, your entire political system needs a reboot. we UK'ers laugh at our politicians for being stupid and bound by party lines, but we don't get into scraps about women binders, legitimate rape and such. we actually get actually politics done! and for all the american line of 'seperation of church and state', do you honestly think you have that?
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Frank Reynolds wrote:

the govt is doing a shit job of hurricane sandy.  look at staten island and yet they are having a marathon instead.


hell of job, brownie

lol just saw a pic of two huge generators rented by the marathon just sitting there doing nothing.  good job nobama.
NYC has an amazing amount of segregation by wealth. The marathon going on just underscores the disconnect.
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marathon canceled
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Took them awhile to think about it.
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Jesus, people in NYC comparing this shit to Katrina. Fuck off. Also, NJ can thank its unions for telling utility workers from Georgia who came to volunteer their services to turn either join the union or leave.
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13urnzz
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Extra Medium wrote:

3.  Perhaps a thread reboot is in order.
yeah, good luck with that
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

cool.  That radio host seems like an asshole.  I'm not sure what the point of this video is, except to tell us Romney is anti-abortion and a Mormon, both things you should already know if you're posting in this thread.
Being such an anti-abortion politician, imo is absolutely crazy.
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Stingray24
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Abortion isn't the issue this election.  The economy is.  No one believes Roe vs Wade will ever be overturned.
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Stingray24 wrote:

Abortion isn't the issue this election.  The economy is.  No one believes Roe vs Wade will ever be overturned.
Bullshit. Romney will overturn it, it's on his campaigns website.

Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view. But while the nation remains so divided, he believes that the right next step is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade – a case of blatant judicial activism that took a decision that should be left to the people and placed it in the hands of unelected judges. With Roe overturned, states will be empowered through the democratic process to determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.
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Jay
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Aussie, do you not believe that people who find something to be morally wrong shouldn't attempt to correct federal law at the state level? If the majority in a state like Alabama wishes to outlaw something they find reprehensible, such as abortion, should they not be allowed to enact laws preventing the procedure from being conducted inside their borders? If you take issue with that, you should also take issue with states taking it upon themselves to enact gay marriage laws even though it is in violation of federal law. The same goes for marijuana legalization and many other issues. The federal government is not always correct, and it's one size fits all approach largely fails.

I am personally pro-choice, and pro gay-marriage, and pro-legalization, but I would rather those decisions be left up to the populations of individual states to decide what they believe is the correct path for themselves.
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Jay
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That said, I believe that gay marriage should not be a state issue and that DOMA needs to be repealed ASAP. It is blatantly discriminatory.
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AussieReaper
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For abortion to be illegal in one state but not another is going to cause nothing but endangerment to the mother within that state which does not allow it. If you can't get a safe legal abortion in your home state, your options are limited to moving state for one, or attempting one yourself.

Why should the states right be held higher than the individuals who wish to perform an aboriton? If you don't want one, don't have one. Why force your beliefs onto others?

Your argument that the Federal Government is forcing the states to do something they don't want is ridiculus, if you think the same doesn't apply to states forcing the individual to not have an aboriton.
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Jay
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Of course states can be just as domineering over individual rights as the federal government. I'm not claiming otherwise. My argument is based on the fact that people are given more control over their lives when decisions are pushed further down the line. It's much easier to be heard and have the laws you wish to live under enacted when you are one voice out of a few million as opposed to one voice out of 300 million+.

A lot of people view abortion as murder, and I can't say that I disagree very much with that point of view. If the majority of people in a state hold that view and wish to outlaw it, they should be allowed to. That's the whole premise behind Democracy. The Roe v Wade decision was anti-democratically enacted.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
AussieReaper
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I'd argue that it would be anti-democratic to not allow abortion because a minority within a state wish to be allowed to.

Democracy is supposed to cater for them also. Anti-abortion laws force something that is perfectly legal in one state but not another to be illegal. It forces those who want to have a procedure that is safe and effective within one state but not theirs to perform a risky procedure themselves, move to another state for a medical procedure, or have the moralistic view of others forced upon them that goes against the majority of nation wide belief.

That to me is undemocratic.
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Jay
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Democracy is majority rule. We have a Democratic Republic instead designed to offset the whims of the mob and protect minority interests. This does not prevent the will of the majority from being exercised through their elected representatives, but it does provide a small bit of protection. Regardless, abortion is not a case where equal protection under the law applies. There is no discrimination. For example, if Californians decided tomorrow to ban meat consumption and force everyone to be vegans, that would be their prerogative. I wouldn't live in that state, but I can't claim it to be a discriminatory action, not unless I would be physically harmed by not eating meat.

As for the rest, well, can always take the bus or drive or fly to another state to have the abortion done if they really want it that badly.

Last edited by Jay (2012-11-02 20:27:33)

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