Is stop and frisk a necessary police tool or an abomination?

2012-07-27 19:21:28

#1

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5825

NYC has a stop and frisk program that has been active since 2002. Basically police can stop and search you for any reason. It is pretty controversial since

In the first three months of 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 203,500 times
181,457 were totally innocent (89 percent).
108,097 were black (54 percent).
69,043 were Latino (33 percent).
18,387 were white (9 percent).

http://www.nyclu.org/stopandfrisk
While

In 2006, demographers estimated that New York's population will reach between 9.2 and 9.5 million by 2030.[129] The city's population in 2010 was 44% white (33.3% non-Hispanic white), 25.5% black (23% non-Hispanic black), and 12.7% Asian. Hispanics of any race represented 28.6% of the population,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Demographics
The people who defend it argue that blacks have higher rates of crime than all other groups. They also argue that black people commit the most gun crimes and that gun violence is largely o black people problem.

Oh and I bet you are thinking "Why are you making a thread about something that has been in practice since 2002, Macbeth?!". I am posting this because

San Francisco may seem like the last place in the world to enact something as anathema to civil rights advocates as "stop-and-frisk," a controversial policing tactic that allows officers to detain and search individuals for weapons whom they consider to be suspicious.

And Mayor Ed Lee has weathered a storm of criticism since throwing out the idea in a June 27 conference with the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board. But Lee hasn't dropped the idea. On Monday he said some kind of aggressive new policing could help avert shootings like the July 20 theater massacre in Aurora, Colorado.

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2012/07/2 … francisco/

So what do you think, bf2s? Me? I think this is just terrible.

2012-07-27 19:23:41

#2

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

Abomination.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-07-27 19:28:35

#3

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6807|Mountains of NC

fuck that

Do they have to ask permission first and if they get declined do they have authority to bring that person for a search then ?

Has it been worthwhile .... except for small amounts of drugs, has anything ever been found .... say something to the tune of intel on a cell location or preventing a murder perhaps

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2012-07-27 19:34:22

#4

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5825

SEREMAKER wrote:
fuck that

Do they have to ask permission first and if they get declined do they have authority to bring that person for a search then ?

If you refuse you will get taken down, tazed, shot, etc.

Has it been worthwhile ....say something to the tune of intel on a cell location or preventing a murder perhaps

I'm sure a few guns have been removed from the system but as far as statistics go- there is no way to determine the effectiveness of this program due to the fact that crime both violent and nonviolent has been in dropping off since the 90's.

2012-07-27 19:44:15

#5

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6807|Mountains of NC

how many lawsuits are they having to deal with because of this, especially with tourists ........... since its not like someone is standing at the airport handing pamphlets of laws that are not common with the rest of the state

Down here no way a cop could do something like this and stroll away without his agency bringing the house down on him ... there are search and seizure laws for protection and the cops have to have probable cause before doing anything, even with your vehicle

2012-07-27 19:45:12

#6

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Depends, if the plod use it reasonably, just use a metal detector and not a cavity search then its not too bad.
Recidivist criminals with long records should be liable to have themselves and their homes, cars etc searched more so than the average person.

If the plod use it as another tool to harass people and so they can stamp their mark of top dogs on the community then no.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-27 19:46:17

#7

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6956|Riva, MD

So all this time police have been doing that anyway, it was illegal?

2012-07-27 19:46:39

#8

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6898|BC, Canada

If she were hot and gave me a wink and a smile, I would not mind at all. Any other way its shit.

2012-07-27 19:54:30

#9

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Depends, if the plod use it reasonably, just use a metal detector and not a cavity search then its not too bad.
Recidivist criminals with long records should be liable to have themselves and their homes, cars etc searched more so than the average person.

If the plod use it as another tool to harass people and so they can stamp their mark of top dogs on the community then no.

They target high crime neighborhoods and shake people down at random. It's not targeted, which is what makes it so awful. No probable cause required.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-07-27 19:57:38

#10

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Then fuck them.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-27 20:59:24

#11

ROGUEDD: BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.; +452|5628|Fuck this.

4th Amendment violated for national security? Check.

Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!

2012-07-27 21:00:06

#12

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6736

ROGUEDD wrote:
4th Amendment violated for national security? Check.

and the 5th

2012-07-27 21:01:21

#13

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,741|6976|Cinncinatti

dont forget the 2nd!

2012-07-27 21:11:15

#14

ROGUEDD: BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.; +452|5628|Fuck this.

13urnzz wrote:
ROGUEDD wrote:
4th Amendment violated for national security? Check.
and the 5th

Due process went out the window long ago.

Shut up rik.

Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!

2012-07-27 21:58:06

#15

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5417|Sydney

To paraphrase:

Macbeth wrote:
So what do you think, bf2s?

Me?

I think this is just terrible.

2012-07-28 01:04:47

#16

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Depends, if the plod use it reasonably, just use a metal detector and not a cavity search then its not too bad.
Recidivist criminals with long records should be liable to have themselves and their homes, cars etc searched more so than the average person.

If the plod use it as another tool to harass people and so they can stamp their mark of top dogs on the community then no.
They target high crime neighborhoods and shake people down at random. It's not targeted, which is what makes it so awful. No probable cause required.

And yet someone who looks like this wouldn't get frisked in a million years.

https://gothamist.com/attachments/byakas/4911madoffbars.jpg

Fuck Israel

2012-07-28 01:48:54

#17

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,979|6871|949

I'm in frisco right now. I got randoy checked at the sirport for the third time in a row

2012-07-28 05:45:59

#18

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Whats offensive is when white people get frisked just so the police can skew their averages.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-28 18:20:47

#19

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7011|PNW

Jay wrote:
Abomination.

2012-08-14 19:55:23

#20

krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7019|Great Brown North

Jay wrote:
Abomination.

2012-08-19 10:04:43

#21

13rin: Member; +977|6718

Violation of 4th amendment. Fuck NY.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2012-08-19 14:54:15

#22

HITNRUNXX: Member; +220|6949|Oklahoma City

You know, in the rest of the country:

If went to the Supreme Court before it was ruled as probable cause to stop someone and question them on the sole basis of them seeing the police and running away... And that makes a lot more sense than this, which just gets tossed in there while breaking all due process/unreasonable search and seizure laws/rights.

2012-08-25 22:36:44

#23

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5713|Ventura, California

Typical police bullshit. The non-white ethnic groups get searched the most, and for the most part on prejudice rather than suspicious behavior. The success rate is too low to justify annoying 200,000+ peoples lives.

Some argue that the drop of crime since the 80s is due in part thanks to little laws like this left and right that all contribute. I'm not sure what to think but I don't like cops being able to search you whenever.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2012-08-26 05:22:06

#24

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

But its OK for everyone to be 3D naked scanned to get on a plane?

Fuck Israel

2012-08-26 07:41:49

#25

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5713|Ventura, California

I don't support that either. I've yet to see a single news article talking about a terrorist plot the TSA has foiled. Every day millions of people take airplanes for various reasons and we've had only 4-5 attempted attacks and they all failed on the plane. The shoe bomber, underwear bomber, and other people were all on the plane and passed TSA. Increasing security hasn't helped shit and it's inconvenienced millions of people.

The TSA are a bunch of assholes anyway. Just use a metal detector and the thing you put your luggage through.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

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