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2012-07-26 06:08:02
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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I don't think mass shootings are the best way to look at the whole gun control issue, frankly. By their very nature, they are one off extreme events, and if anything gun control will have the least impact on those, as such people are more likely to be sufficiently motivated to get their guns by other means. Of course, that's not entirely the point, as risk minimisation is the key (the logic being less guns = less likely), but there's more than a hint of black swan about using this as the key argument to justify gun control one way or another.

Really the thing I'm more interested in when it comes to gun control rate are the more menial gun crime/gun-related homocide rate, and it should come as no surprise that the per-capita rates in the US are miles above any other comparable nation. Though I believe they've been falling gradually for a while. Not a sociologist, don't ask me why (I've heard all kinds of theories thrown around explaining the drop, including the introduction of unleaded petrol. Seriously, what a cunt Thomas Midgely was).

EDIT: (Oh, and games, which is surely irony on a cosmic scale)

Last edited by Spark (2012-07-26 06:28:40)

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2012-07-26 06:23:44
Jay
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+2,006|5616|London, England

Spark wrote:

I don't think mass shootings are the best way to look at the whole gun control issue, frankly. By their very nature, they are one off extreme events, and if anything gun control will have the least impact on those, as such people are more likely to be sufficiently motivated to get their guns by other means. Of course, that's not entirely the point, as risk minimisation is the key (the logic being less guns = less likely), but there's more than a hint of black swan about using this as the key argument to justify gun control one way or another.

Really the thing I'm more interested in when it comes to gun control rate are the more menial gun crime/gun-related homocide rate, and it should come as no surprise that the per-capita rates in the US are miles above any other comparable nation. Though I believe they've been falling gradually for a while. Not a sociologist, don't ask me why (I've heard all kinds of theories thrown around explaining the drop, including the introduction of unleaded petrol).
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3iPGtaBbuS0/TPmxGe4_8tI/AAAAAAAAA58/mZ9IH18CSFI/s1600/Murder+Manslaughter+stats.png
22,500->15,000/yr is a little more significant than gradual...

Most of our large cities were facing bankruptcy back in the era between 1960 and 1992. Manufacturing had moved overseas or been replaced elsewhere in the country. Most of New York City was considered blighted with entire blocks of Manhattan resembling Dresden after the firebombings. In my opinion,  it was simply a transition point between the industrial age and the information age and thus chaos prevailed to a certain extent. I can pretty much guarantee that crime statistics elsewhere in the country besides the major cities remained pretty flat.
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2012-07-26 06:26:39
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS
7500 --> 15000 is pretty significant too tbf. I really don't know how to interpet these statistics on their own, but the comparative data is pretty interesting and needs explaining.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2012-07-26 06:32:51
Jay
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Spark wrote:

7500 --> 15000 is pretty significant too tbf. I really don't know how to interpet these statistics on their own, but the comparative data is pretty interesting and needs explaining.
Drugs, blight, white flight, bankrupt cities unable to pay enough cops, deteriorated infrastructure, Vietnam, loss of manufacturing sector in cities leaving an unemployed and unskilled workforce idle. Take your pick
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-07-26 06:35:30
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS
Those are not uniquely American problems. Certainly the fact that gun homocides makes up a much higher proportion of homocides than in comparative nations (Australia, UK etc etc) needs explaining.

EDIT: A sure sign you're watching a hell of a lot of cricket - mix up 'England' and 'UK'

Last edited by Spark (2012-07-26 06:36:01)

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~ Richard Feynman
2012-07-26 06:36:09
Jay
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Why would that matter? Homicide is a homicide is a homicide. The weapon used is irrelevant.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-07-26 06:38:58
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS
The idea is that bringing down gun related homocides is one way to bring down homocides overall. Logic should be pretty obvious tbh.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2012-07-26 07:47:50
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6940|Disaster Free Zone

Jay wrote:

Why would that matter? Homicide is a homicide is a homicide. The weapon used is irrelevant.
Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000
Australia1.26
USA1.58
Fairly comparable numbers. Now lets see:
Firearm homicide rate per 100,000
Australia0.31
USA2.97
But these are far from comprable and in the end it makes.
Overall homicide rate per 100,000
Australia1.57
USA4.55


look awful for the US.
2012-07-26 07:53:41
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5616|London, England
Murder Offenders
by Age, Sex, and Race, 2009

    Download Excel

Age     Total     Sex     Race
                                 Male     Female     Unknown     White     Black     Other     Unknown
Total     15,760     10,391     1,197     4,172     5,286     5,890     245        4,339
Percent distribution1     100.0     65.9     7.6     26.5     33.5     37.4     1.6     27.5

The racial composition of the US population as of 2008 was 79.79% European American (65.60% non-Hispanic and 14.19% Hispanic), 12.84% African American (12.22% non-Hispanic and 0.62% Hispanic), 4.45% Asian American (4.35% non-Hispanic and 0.10% Hispanic), 1.01% American Indian or Alaska Native (0.76% non-Hispanic and 0.25% Hispanic), 0.18% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander American (0.14% non-Hispanic and 0.04% Hispanic), and 1.69% Multiracial American (1.64% non-Hispanic and 0.05% Hispanic). 15.25% of the total US population identified their ethnicity as Hispanic.[3]

Last edited by Jay (2012-07-26 07:54:25)

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2012-07-26 07:55:09
Hurricane2k9
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Jayson since when do you live in London?
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2012-07-26 07:55:51
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Jayson since when do you live in London?
?
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2012-07-26 07:58:28
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Mutantbear wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Jayson since when do you live in London?
?
his 'From" says London
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2012-07-26 07:58:58
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5616|London, England

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Mutantbear wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Jayson since when do you live in London?
?
his 'From" says London
Me and mutant are sharing a flat together in Cheapside.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-07-26 07:59:31
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6223|London, England

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Mutantbear wrote:


?
his 'From" says London
Me and mutant are sharing a flat together in Cheapside.
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2012-07-26 08:01:51
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|5647|Fuck this.
New plan. Export Chicago or Detroit to Australia.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
2012-07-26 08:02:30
Jay
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+2,006|5616|London, England
Nah, give 'em Brownsville http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownsville,_Brooklyn
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-07-26 08:03:09
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
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ROGUEDD wrote:

New plan. Export Chicago or Detroit to Australia.
I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy
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2012-07-26 08:04:16
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5960|College Park, MD

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Mutantbear wrote:


?
his 'From" says London
Me and mutant are sharing a flat together in Cheapside.
sounds gay
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2012-07-26 08:04:56
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5616|London, England

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


his 'From" says London
Me and mutant are sharing a flat together in Cheapside.
sounds gay
Dauntless wouldn't take us in Even he thought we were too gay.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-07-26 08:06:25
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
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You know who came up with the term Bath Salts? It was dauntless.
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2012-07-26 08:07:23
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|5647|Fuck this.

Mutantbear wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

New plan. Export Chicago or Detroit to Australia.
I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy
I think it could be a good learning experience for them.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
2012-07-26 10:38:07
HITNRUNXX
Member
+220|6968|Oklahoma City

DrunkFace wrote:

Jay wrote:

Why would that matter? Homicide is a homicide is a homicide. The weapon used is irrelevant.
Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000
Australia1.26
USA1.58
Fairly comparable numbers. Now lets see:
Firearm homicide rate per 100,000
Australia0.31
USA2.97
But these are far from comprable and in the end it makes.
Overall homicide rate per 100,000
Australia1.57
USA4.55


look awful for the US.
I would disagree that it looks "awful" for the United States.

If you only compare to one place in the world, great. Australia looks AWFUL if you compare it to Norway (0.64).

Overall, I would say the U.S. looks pretty damn good.


Check out the interactive chart here:
http://chartsbin.com/view/1454
2012-07-26 10:41:05
HITNRUNXX
Member
+220|6968|Oklahoma City
I would also like to add in that the U.S. has about 76 people per square mile. Australia has like 6 or 7.

Population density is also a factor to look into.

edit: Corrected numbers for U.S.

Last edited by HITNRUNXX (2012-07-26 10:42:19)

2012-07-26 11:19:34
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6975

HITNRUNXX wrote:

I would also like to add in that the U.S. has about 76 people per square mile. Australia has like 6 or 7.

Population density is also a factor to look into.

edit: Corrected numbers for U.S.
90%+ of Australians live in urban areas.
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2012-07-26 12:03:40
HITNRUNXX
Member
+220|6968|Oklahoma City

Cybargs wrote:

90%+ of Australians live in urban areas.
The USA has 9 of the 125 most densely populated cities in the world. Australia has 1. (Sydney is 113).

Living in urban areas does not automatically equate to having as much population density.

 

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