i want this pink too
In California, no. Absolutely fine.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
That being said, there's nothing wrong with having a pink AR, OK?
In Montana, you show up with a pink AR, you're going to get some odd looks and strange questions.
Then again, California & Neu Yawk are the poster child states for "And that's why we can't have fun nice things".
AR-15 are easy to build, easy to maintain, easy to accessorize, and pretty cheap to shoot.
Really cheap, if you get a .22 subcaliber adapter (lets you shoot cheap .22LR ammo in a real 5.56 AR-15)
Personally, if I were going to buy an off-the-shelf AR, I would buy a LMT or Stag (or FN, if I could find one).
With my first choice being a FN.
If you're more worried about inexpensive, DPMS and Bushmaster are civilian grade plinker AR-15.
Without reloading, Federal ammo (surplus Lake City) or Eagle Arms ammo (same thing) in the bulk military green cans are decent and inexpensive.
Cheaper than that, and you get into the laquered Wolf crap ammo that will eventually weld an empty laquered case into your chamber.
And, if you decided to get into reloading, the empty brass from Federal or LC is quite good.
the LMT my friend has was ~$1700. I'm just not ready to drop that kind of money into a gun until I can take the time to familiarize myself with gun systems in general.
the green cases of ammo you mention are about $400 per 1k, so it's not that bad at all
the green cases of ammo you mention are about $400 per 1k, so it's not that bad at all
I spent more than that on my paintball kitKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
the LMT my friend has was ~$1700. I'm just not ready to drop that kind of money into a gun until I can take the time to familiarize myself with gun systems in general.
the green cases of ammo you mention are about $400 per 1k, so it's not that bad at all
DPMS "bullet button" AR15 here is $1000.
For $1300, LMT has their base (non-California compliant) AR-15/M4.
For $940, Stagarms (aka Continental Machine Tool) has their AR-15/M4 here
Though, really, if you are new to firearms, you really should get a .22LR for your first rifle.
Smith & Wesson has a California Compliant MP-22 for $499
Ammo, for Federal AutoMatch .22LR (tan & black "milk carton") is about $15 for 350 rounds of ammo.
Compared to about $150 for 350 rounds of 5.56x45(.223), the .22 is a much better deal for just shooting at a paper target at a range.
And, really, the fundamentals of marksmanship are exactly the same from .22LR to 5.56x45.
Same sized holes too!
S&W Ca compliant AR-15 is the M&P-15 for $739
For $1300, LMT has their base (non-California compliant) AR-15/M4.
For $940, Stagarms (aka Continental Machine Tool) has their AR-15/M4 here
Though, really, if you are new to firearms, you really should get a .22LR for your first rifle.
Smith & Wesson has a California Compliant MP-22 for $499
Ammo, for Federal AutoMatch .22LR (tan & black "milk carton") is about $15 for 350 rounds of ammo.
Compared to about $150 for 350 rounds of 5.56x45(.223), the .22 is a much better deal for just shooting at a paper target at a range.
And, really, the fundamentals of marksmanship are exactly the same from .22LR to 5.56x45.
Same sized holes too!
S&W Ca compliant AR-15 is the M&P-15 for $739
west-phoenix-az wrote:
i want this pink too
"And this is where you look through to cast Aimed Shot"
that S&W M&P15-22 looks nice, I may have to get that instead and then upgrade later. I really like that M&P15 sport though haha. Your point about ammo costs is not falling on deaf ears here.
That's what I did. Bought a .22 full rifle then got a 5.56 upper later.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
that S&W M&P15-22 looks nice, I may have to get that instead and then upgrade later. I really like that M&P15 sport though haha. Your point about ammo costs is not falling on deaf ears here.
That's if the lower on the S&W .22 is a standard AR lower.
Baba Booey
If you buy a .223/5.56 AR and want to also shoot 22LR for cheap you could get one of these CMMG 22lr conversion kits.
I picked up the black model awhile back for $119.
You'd have to get the 10 round California version though.
I picked up the black model awhile back for $119.
You'd have to get the 10 round California version though.
Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2012-06-06 09:23:01)
It seems like I'd go the opposite way - get the 22lr and upgrade to the 5.56
Doesn't the M&P 15-22 have a polymer lower?
Isn't the "buffer tube" part of the lower?
Can you install a 223/556 buffer and buffer spring in the M&P 15-22?
Seems like you'd be limiting your options and future upgrades if you start with a 15-22 lower.
I'd start with a 223/556 rifle with aluminum lower and either get the conversion kit (if saving money) or a dedicated 22 upper.
When swapping uppers to different calibers you need to make sure the hammer, buffer and buffer spring are compatible. I don't believe the buffer and buffer spring come into play in any 22 uppers, but the hammer might.
Isn't the "buffer tube" part of the lower?
Can you install a 223/556 buffer and buffer spring in the M&P 15-22?
Seems like you'd be limiting your options and future upgrades if you start with a 15-22 lower.
I'd start with a 223/556 rifle with aluminum lower and either get the conversion kit (if saving money) or a dedicated 22 upper.
When swapping uppers to different calibers you need to make sure the hammer, buffer and buffer spring are compatible. I don't believe the buffer and buffer spring come into play in any 22 uppers, but the hammer might.
That's what I was wondering.
I cancelled the order for the OBR. I'm getting one of these instead. It was my first chioce before the OBR. Shot a few Mk17s in Afghanistan. I was impressed.
It'll be here next week.
I cancelled the order for the OBR. I'm getting one of these instead. It was my first chioce before the OBR. Shot a few Mk17s in Afghanistan. I was impressed.
It'll be here next week.
Baba Booey
From a good, if expensive, weekend.
ouch.mcgid1 wrote:
From a good, if expensive, weekend.
ejector marks on the cases, looks like those were slightly over max pressure loads
Yeah, noticed that. Kind of irritating considering those weren't reloads.rdx-fx wrote:
ouch.mcgid1 wrote:
From a good, if expensive, weekend.
ejector marks on the cases, looks like those were slightly over max pressure loads
Either of which are good.rdx-fx wrote:
standard service pistol target X-ring is 1.7", shot at 25yd sustained, 50yd slow fire.
NRA B-6 & B-8 targets
3.36" if you just want the 10 ring...
Personally, I'm at consistent hits on a 6" diameter plate at 25 and 50 yards, with a 9mm HiPower.
Or, consistent hits on a 9" diameter plate at 1025 yards, with a scoped rifle.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Just got hold of this little beauty :-)
Hammerli 208 .22LR
Hammerli 208 .22LR
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Reloading is an interest i have as well. Whats a good place to start? What kind of tools would i need and how expensive are they.rdx-fx wrote:
In California, no. Absolutely fine.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
That being said, there's nothing wrong with having a pink AR, OK?
In Montana, you show up with a pink AR, you're going to get some odd looks and strange questions.
Then again, California & Neu Yawk are the poster child states for "And that's why we can't have fun nice things".
AR-15 are easy to build, easy to maintain, easy to accessorize, and pretty cheap to shoot.
Really cheap, if you get a .22 subcaliber adapter (lets you shoot cheap .22LR ammo in a real 5.56 AR-15)
Personally, if I were going to buy an off-the-shelf AR, I would buy a LMT or Stag (or FN, if I could find one).
With my first choice being a FN.
If you're more worried about inexpensive, DPMS and Bushmaster are civilian grade plinker AR-15.
Without reloading, Federal ammo (surplus Lake City) or Eagle Arms ammo (same thing) in the bulk military green cans are decent and inexpensive.
Cheaper than that, and you get into the laquered Wolf crap ammo that will eventually weld an empty laquered case into your chamber.
And, if you decided to get into reloading, the empty brass from Federal or LC is quite good.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
I'd suggest starting hereUnkleRukus wrote:
Reloading is an interest i have as well. Whats a good place to start? What kind of tools would i need and how expensive are they.
RCBS makes a boxed kit of "everything you need to get started", equipment-wise.
Doesn't include components like brass, powder, primers.
RCBS makes good reloading equipment at a reasonable price.
Forster and Redding are good too.
Every piece of Lee equipment I've had has been poorly designed, poorly made, and ended up failing.
As an important safety tip: Learning reloading is best done by being taught by someone more experienced, in person. It is possible to learn from videos and books. It is safer to learn the essential basics from an experienced person. You are handling explosives.
Nice, but remember they are no longer supported for spares by Walther/Umarex.Varegg wrote:
Just got hold of this little beauty :-)
Hammerli 208 .22LR
If you find any then grab them, firin pin, extractor etc, not that they usually need them.
Lee eqpt is OK if all you want is a single stage press for low volume reloading. Just need to make sure you get the deluxe powder measure, the other one is crap.
Otherwise depends on what you're loading - pistol, rifle, how OCD you want to go etc.
Worse than that, you're assembling explosives to detonators.You are handling explosives.
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-06-14 01:57:00)
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Nothing wrong with Lee equipment
get it yet?1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
It'll be here next week.
Dad picked it up today. I'm back in Hawaii.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Nothing wrong with Lee equipmentget it yet?1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
It'll be here next week.
Baba Booey
geissele automatics triggers have gone into every AR I've built (or worked on)the last few years.
Lilja or White Oak barrels for AR rifles, with GA triggers.
Krieger barrels for bolt actions, with Jewell or Timney triggers.
Lilja or White Oak barrels for AR rifles, with GA triggers.
Krieger barrels for bolt actions, with Jewell or Timney triggers.