Most summer camps have some vague political connection at least and they go more extreme from there. Parents will send their children to places that tend to agree with their political philosphies and theres no getting around that.Jay wrote:
A) I'm not, nor have I ever been, a tea partier.
B) If people send their kids away to summer camp it is to those cliched camps on a lake in the woods where the boys sneak across the lake to steal their first kiss from a willing lass. It's either that or day camp.
C) I have never heard of any politically affiliated summer camp. Ever. Religious? Yes. Political? No. Politics and children are a big no no here.
So yes, I found the whole thing weird, and I said as much whenever this story first came out. Again, I don't agree with indoctrination of any sort and it really surprises me that you all seem to find it to be hunkydory. Instead of saying 'hey, wait, he might have a point', you keep going on and on and on about how America is awful. Whatever.
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please read this more than once and come up with a thoughtful reply that is actually relevantUzique wrote:
it's not indoctrinationJay wrote:
A) I'm not, nor have I ever been, a tea partier.
B) If people send their kids away to summer camp it is to those cliched camps on a lake in the woods where the boys sneak across the lake to steal their first kiss from a willing lass. It's either that or day camp.
C) I have never heard of any politically affiliated summer camp. Ever. Religious? Yes. Political? No. Politics and children are a big no no here.
So yes, I found the whole thing weird, and I said as much whenever this story first came out. Again, I don't agree with indoctrination of any sort and it really surprises me that you all seem to find it to be hunkydory. Instead of saying 'hey, wait, he might have a point', you keep going on and on and on about how America is awful. Whatever.
it's not indoctrination
it's not indoctrination
they are not young impressionable children
they are not young impressionable children
they are not young impressionable children
the thing you said about summer camps being for young kids/teens/adults to get together and sit around a campfire, kissing girls... is EXACTLY THE SAME THING THEY HAVE IN NORWAY. there's even a pathway on utoya island named colloquially by the kids that visit every year as "lover's walkway" or something, because it's just what the young people there do. you're picturing them in matching tan uniforms marching around singing socialist marching songs and praising the government - that just isn't so. it's a summer camp organised by the government to encourage young people to take part in their society, and to be politically active and socially engaged. there's nothing indoctrinating about it. there's nothing to say that everyone at that camp is a devout party-person and will vote for the ruling political party for the rest of their lives. it's a summer camp simply for people that take an interest in civics and politics. you're making out it's like a north korean propaganda camp or something. it's just not true.
why won't you listen to what you are being told? can you not accept being factually wrong?
also where did we say "america is awful"? you came into this discussion about a massacre saying norway is awful for organising camps. nobody said anything about america. nobody gives a fuck about america. i linked you an example because you act like your own shit doesn't stink when you have political summer-camps AS WELL. this discussion isn't about america and, frankly, we could give a shit if you guys have young republicans or tea-party associations.
Again, I never said, nor implied, that the people at the camp deserved or earned death. I said the politicians should take a step back and say 'hey, we're targets because of our political beliefs, maybe we really shouldn't be exposing other people to danger by associating them with us'.Uzique wrote:
don't get involved in politics or your community if you are under 21. you deserve to be shot by a delusional man that thinks you are all marxists.
A documentary on Utoya the other day spoke to 2 of the surviors and they basically said they only went because it was known as a the "best place to hookup". That and to be indoctrinated into the almighty Euro Neo-Marxism movement.Jay wrote:
B) If people send their kids away to summer camp it is to those cliched camps on a lake in the woods where the boys sneak across the lake to steal their first kiss from a willing lass. It's either that or day camp.
This is Norway we're talking about here, I'm pretty sure you generally aren't meant to be at risk of murder simply for how you choose to vote.Jay wrote:
Again, I never said, nor implied, that the people at the camp deserved or earned death. I said the politicians should take a step back and say 'hey, we're targets because of our political beliefs, maybe we really shouldn't be exposing other people to danger by associating them with us'.Uzique wrote:
don't get involved in politics or your community if you are under 21. you deserve to be shot by a delusional man that thinks you are all marxists.
As I said before, they are young adults (not children) taking an active interest in politics and society. Just because you are bitter, disaffected and disillusioned doesn't mean everyone else has to be.Jay wrote:
You've just had multiple people tell you the same thing. It doesn't fucking matter anyway. Beck's camp is just as wrong as the Norwegian one. I don't care if the spirit is positive about public service yadda yadda. Political parties should have nothing to do with children. Period. End of story. Children should be left to be children, not exposed to the blackhearted individuals that enter politics and who will exploit them at every opportunity. Let that wait until after they become adults.
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Women should not wear skirts if they do not want to get raped.Jay wrote:
Again, I never said, nor implied, that the people at the camp deserved or earned death. I said the politicians should take a step back and say 'hey, we're targets because of our political beliefs, maybe we really shouldn't be exposing other people to danger by associating them with us'.Uzique wrote:
don't get involved in politics or your community if you are under 21. you deserve to be shot by a delusional man that thinks you are all marxists.
Christians shouldn't have bible camps if they don't want their kids to be murdered by anti-Christian psychopaths.Macbeth wrote:
Women should not wear skirts if they do not want to get raped.Jay wrote:
Again, I never said, nor implied, that the people at the camp deserved or earned death. I said the politicians should take a step back and say 'hey, we're targets because of our political beliefs, maybe we really shouldn't be exposing other people to danger by associating them with us'.Uzique wrote:
don't get involved in politics or your community if you are under 21. you deserve to be shot by a delusional man that thinks you are all marxists.
not really sure what you're on about with this postJaekus wrote:
Christians shouldn't have bible camps if they don't want their kids to be murdered by anti-Christian psychopaths.Macbeth wrote:
Women should not wear skirts if they do not want to get raped.Jay wrote:
Again, I never said, nor implied, that the people at the camp deserved or earned death. I said the politicians should take a step back and say 'hey, we're targets because of our political beliefs, maybe we really shouldn't be exposing other people to danger by associating them with us'.
The Norwegian Labour party shouldn't hold summer camps if they don't want their kids to be shot up by a psychopath.Uzique wrote:
not really sure what you're on about with this postJaekus wrote:
Christians shouldn't have bible camps if they don't want their kids to be murdered by anti-Christian psychopaths.Macbeth wrote:
Women should not wear skirts if they do not want to get raped.
I am jaded. I think politicians are the lowest form of pond scum. I think the divide and rule concept that our political parties have manifested is disgusting. Do I want political parties banned? No, but I wish they would die on their own already. I'm just really, really sick of the Red Team - Blue Team rah rah shit. The thought of vapid idealistic kids being turned loose on the world to chant party slogans makes my stomach turn.coke wrote:
As I said before, they are young adults (not children) taking an active interest in politics and society. Just because you are bitter, disaffected and disillusioned doesn't mean everyone else has to be.Jay wrote:
You've just had multiple people tell you the same thing. It doesn't fucking matter anyway. Beck's camp is just as wrong as the Norwegian one. I don't care if the spirit is positive about public service yadda yadda. Political parties should have nothing to do with children. Period. End of story. Children should be left to be children, not exposed to the blackhearted individuals that enter politics and who will exploit them at every opportunity. Let that wait until after they become adults.
Chances are some these kids felt the same, but were actively trying to change that.Jay wrote:
I am jaded. I think politicians are the lowest form of pond scum. I think the divide and rule concept that our political parties have manifested is disgusting. Do I want political parties banned? No, but I wish they would die on their own already. I'm just really, really sick of the Red Team - Blue Team rah rah shit. The thought of vapid idealistic kids being turned loose on the world to chant party slogans makes my stomach turn.coke wrote:
As I said before, they are young adults (not children) taking an active interest in politics and society. Just because you are bitter, disaffected and disillusioned doesn't mean everyone else has to be.Jay wrote:
You've just had multiple people tell you the same thing. It doesn't fucking matter anyway. Beck's camp is just as wrong as the Norwegian one. I don't care if the spirit is positive about public service yadda yadda. Political parties should have nothing to do with children. Period. End of story. Children should be left to be children, not exposed to the blackhearted individuals that enter politics and who will exploit them at every opportunity. Let that wait until after they become adults.
where are they chanting party slogans? please show me some proof that the utoya summer camp was getting its visitors to chant party-political slogans.Jay wrote:
I am jaded. I think politicians are the lowest form of pond scum. I think the divide and rule concept that our political parties have manifested is disgusting. Do I want political parties banned? No, but I wish they would die on their own already. I'm just really, really sick of the Red Team - Blue Team rah rah shit. The thought of vapid idealistic kids being turned loose on the world to chant party slogans makes my stomach turn.coke wrote:
As I said before, they are young adults (not children) taking an active interest in politics and society. Just because you are bitter, disaffected and disillusioned doesn't mean everyone else has to be.Jay wrote:
You've just had multiple people tell you the same thing. It doesn't fucking matter anyway. Beck's camp is just as wrong as the Norwegian one. I don't care if the spirit is positive about public service yadda yadda. Political parties should have nothing to do with children. Period. End of story. Children should be left to be children, not exposed to the blackhearted individuals that enter politics and who will exploit them at every opportunity. Let that wait until after they become adults.
Macbeth wrote:
Women should not wear skirts if they do not want to get raped.Jay wrote:
Again, I never said, nor implied, that the people at the camp deserved or earned death. I said the politicians should take a step back and say 'hey, we're targets because of our political beliefs, maybe we really shouldn't be exposing other people to danger by associating them with us'.Uzique wrote:
don't get involved in politics or your community if you are under 21. you deserve to be shot by a delusional man that thinks you are all marxists.
eleven bravo wrote:
she was wearing a short skirt, she was just asking to get gangraped
i think jay is the only person thats hung up on youth campsUzique wrote:
i really think everyone is taking the camp thing a little too ideologically...
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I havent changed since i arrived here. Theres just no one left for the self righteous kiddies to argue with. Doesnt matter what i say, or if they agreed with my point in the past. Its funny as hell to watch.eleven bravo wrote:
jays filled the lowing/atg/pol pot void. sad.
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