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2012-04-07 16:27:14

#1151

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

Pochsy wrote:
Hey Macbeth, serious question I need some help with (TA doesn't answer emails on weekends) that I suspect you may know the answer to. It's actually on Hegel's 'Outlines of the Philosophy of Right'. In the sub-section titled 'Civil Society' under Ethical Life there are 3 moments of civil society, which is all well and good. My question is: what is the mystical principal (for the Family it is Love, or the State it is Patriotism) binds all individual actors together? I feel the answer may simply be that individualism allows for cohesion through the invisible hand.

Very specific question, I know, but Jay won't answer me.

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If I understand the book I have on hegel's philosophy of the right the answer is : universal egotism

You might have a much better time consulting Stanford encyclopedia on philosophy. I'm far far from an expert on hegel.

2012-04-07 16:30:24

#1152

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5761|Toronto

Macbeth wrote:
Pochsy wrote:
Hey Macbeth, serious question I need some help with (TA doesn't answer emails on weekends) that I suspect you may know the answer to. It's actually on Hegel's 'Outlines of the Philosophy of Right'. In the sub-section titled 'Civil Society' under Ethical Life there are 3 moments of civil society, which is all well and good. My question is: what is the mystical principal (for the Family it is Love, or the State it is Patriotism) binds all individual actors together? I feel the answer may simply be that individualism allows for cohesion through the invisible hand.

Very specific question, I know, but Jay won't answer me.
¯\(°_o)/¯

If I understand the book I have on hegel's philosophy of the right the answer is : universal egotism

You might have a much better time consulting Stanford encyclopedia on philosophy. I'm far far from an expert on hegel.

Actually, that helps. Universal egotism is essentially the same as individualism and the pursuit of one's own good and property without regard to others. Sounds better than my answer, though.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-07 16:30:45

#1153

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

seriously, i dunno lol

2012-04-07 16:31:05

#1154

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5477|foggy bottom

i can never watch the history channel for more than 10 minutes at a time. their target audience is red neck bible thumping trailer trash

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-07 16:34:40

#1155

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5761|Toronto

Macbeth wrote:
seriously, i dunno lol

It's sad that I have been seriously studying Hegel for 2 months now and can't produce these answers off the top of my head for the exam review. Abstract Right and Morality are easy enough to comprehend to a reasonable degree, but their synthesis and objective actualization in Ethical Life is a mind fuck.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-07 16:38:37

#1156

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

Pochsy wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
seriously, i dunno lol
It's sad that I have been seriously studying Hegel for 2 months now and can't produce these answers off the top of my head for the exam review. Abstract Right and Morality are easy enough to comprehend to a reasonable degree, but their synthesis and objective actualization in Ethical Life is a mind fuck.

What is the class you are in?

2012-04-07 16:42:28

#1157

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5761|Toronto

Modern political thought. full year course. Intensively covers the majority of the works by 4 authors: Rousseau, Mill, Hegel, and Marx. Hegel got the most class time because he is the most difficult by a long shot.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-07 16:48:01

#1158

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

the translation from german to english doesn't help either. marx is surprisingly straight forward for a german.

2012-04-07 16:52:54

#1159

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

crap my brain jumped from hegel to german philosophy to nietzsche to thus spoke zarathustra and back to my ex girlfriend

greeaatt

2012-04-07 16:52:58

#1160

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5761|Toronto

Macbeth wrote:
the translation from german to english doesn't help either. marx is surprisingly straight forward for a german.

I think Marx is easy only because we are all so attune to his perception of the world in the present period due to its lasting impact. If you read something like the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts, or even Capital to an extent, you can see just how heavyweight a philosopher he really was. He contributed greatly to a critique of Hegel and the Young Hegelians (as well as the Old Hegelians) who were attempting to comes to terms with Hegel's dialectics. The Communist Manifesto is a breeze by any standard. Essentially a pamphlet for the common man.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-07 16:56:17

#1161

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

did you finish gravity's rainbow?

2012-04-07 16:57:12

#1162

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

I am done with all my books for this semester and am wrapping up one of my free time books so I am going to hit GR next.

2012-04-07 16:58:48

#1163

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5761|Toronto

Macbeth wrote:
did you finish gravity's rainbow?

Unfortunately haven't had time with all my school work. In 2 weeks I will be done exams and able to pick it up again. Immediately following its completion I'm picking up a reader's guide to see what I missed. Contemporary literature and postmodern theory is not my strong suit.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-07 17:01:07

#1164

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

Pochsy wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
did you finish gravity's rainbow?
Unfortunately haven't had time with all my school work. In 2 weeks I will be done exams and able to pick it up again. Immediately following its completion I'm picking up a reader's guide to see what I missed. Contemporary literature and postmodern theory is not my strong suit.

Yeah I did the same with DFW's IJ and BOTS and sadfaced about how much I missed

2012-04-07 17:03:18

#1165

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5803

the amount of typos i produce is amazing

Last edited by Macbeth (2012-04-07 17:03:42)

2012-04-07 17:03:42

#1166

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5761|Toronto

Macbeth wrote:
Pochsy wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
did you finish gravity's rainbow?
Unfortunately haven't had time with all my school work. In 2 weeks I will be done exams and able to pick it up again. Immediately following its completion I'm picking up a reader's guide to see what I missed. Contemporary literature and postmodern theory is not my strong suit.
Yeah I did the same with DFW's IJ and BOTS and sadfaced about how much I missed

Very nice. Was that particular DFW book helpful? I know I am going to re-read Infinite Jest this summer, and would love to read some critical theory on his work.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-07 17:07:28