Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6737|UK

Jay wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

yes, but they aren't allowed into d & st anymore.
Oh, the sheep complained to the admins again?

Really, now.. he was drunk, it was late.. and he promised it was a one-time thing.




Seriously, though.
Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
I've no idea.

Seems like the Scots would do well enough to get some distance from the Chav & Pensioner system of government that the Londoners seem to be so fond of lately.
(Not that I can claim the US system is currently any better, unfortunately. We're presently deciding on which religious wingnut lunatic to run for President)
Apparently their finances are a lot more balanced than I initially thought. They pay 9.4% of the UKs taxes, but receive only 9.3% of public expenditure in return. Sounds like they could sustain the current environment.
That ignores capital spending, ie all the infrastructure projects etc in scotland which add up to 10 billion. So thats a 9.7 billion deficit they are running.
globefish23
sophisticated slacker
+334|6294|Graz, Austria
Things to do after independence:
  • Join the Euro currency zone.
  • Go metric.
  • Drive on the right side of the road.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

globefish23 wrote:

Things to do after independence:
  • Join the Euro currency zone.
  • Go metric.
  • Drive on the right side of the road.
I'm sure they'd have more pressing matters to deal with... such as... anything. I dunno why people post this nonsense in every thread. None of that shit matters.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|6680|England. Stoke

globefish23 wrote:

Things to do after independence:
  • Join the Euro currency zone.
  • Go metric.
  • Drive on the right side of the road.
Join a failing currency...
And I don't get why people don't understand that the UK is now largely metric.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

coke wrote:

globefish23 wrote:

Things to do after independence:
  • Join the Euro currency zone.
  • Go metric.
  • Drive on the right side of the road.
Join a failing currency...
And I don't get why people don't understand that the UK is now largely metric.
People seem to get extremely uncomfortable when every other country isn't exactly like their own. Those people need to just stay home and shut the fuck up.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
eleven bravo
Member
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FatherTed wrote:

the lack of carriers until 2020 is a bit dumb, but for something like the falklands if that re-ignites we still have the RFA heli carriers and subs, coupled with the new type 45s.
ok warman
Tu Stultus Es
rdx-fx
...
+955|6562

Jay wrote:

People seem to get extremely uncomfortable when every other country isn't exactly like their own. Those people need to just stay home and shut the fuck up.
They do.  It's called Flyover States.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6742|PNW

rdx-fx wrote:

Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
They kind of screwed the pooch the first time around. Who's to say they wouldn't blow state funds again and simply be reabsorbed into the UK?

Should just do what Northumberland does, keep flying whatever flag they want and be happy with it.
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|6680|England. Stoke

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
They kind of screwed the pooch the first time around. Who's to say they wouldn't blow state funds again and simply be reabsorbed into the UK?

Should just do what Northumberland does, keep flying whatever flag they want and be happy with it.
Eh?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6742|PNW

Didn't Scottish colonialism efforts hurt the country, particularly with Panama?
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|6680|England. Stoke

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Didn't Scottish colonialism efforts hurt the country, particularly with Panama?
Can't see how that is entirely relevant to the situation now though...
Particularly as this was all before the Act of Union. Scotland wasn't really even a nation state then.

Last edited by coke (2012-02-26 16:40:57)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6742|PNW

It was a half-sarcastic historical reference to Scotland's money management before the Act of Union. That was the whole point...
eleven bravo
Member
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Tu Stultus Es
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|6680|England. Stoke

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

It was a half-sarcastic historical reference to Scotland's money management before the Act of Union. That was the whole point...
Fair enough. Money management wasn't really their major problem though. English armies were.
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5230|foggy bottom
and greedy nobles who were as rich in English titles and lands as they are in Scottish
Tu Stultus Es
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6687
Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
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Jenspm
penis
+1,716|6703|St. Andrews / Oslo

Cybargs wrote:

Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
Scots don't feel represented in UK government/society, want to break free. Fair enough, surely?
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6742|PNW

Jenspm wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
Scots don't feel represented in UK government/society, want to break free. Fair enough, surely?
Maybe they just want the money pipeline into Scotland widened even further.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6077|eXtreme to the maX

rdx-fx wrote:

Seriously, though.
Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
I've no idea.
Dunno really. Given the  high unemployment and high health spending I'd imagine the Scottish tax take is pretty high.
Seems like the Scots would do well enough to get some distance from the Chav & Pensioner system of government that the Londoners seem to be so fond of lately.
Chavs are quite charming compared with the average scottish teenage scrote.

On balance, the UK will be weaker, Scotland will be drastically weaker. They'll have all the international clout of Malta, but then they're mostly inward looking and haven't thought about that.

Just as Irish Republicanism acquired a blind following of single issue fanatics looking for a cause, Scottish Independence seems to have gone the same way, to include made-up history like 'Braveheart'.
I knew an old scottish bloke at Bisley who said he was so thoroughly indoctrinated with hatred by the teachers at his school that as a 12 year old he stole a rifle and a box of .22lr from the cadets armoury, hiked to the nearest English border and fired them all off in the general direction of 'the sassenachs'. Like most countries, hating the Brits is what you do if you don't have an economy or sunny beaches.
I'm not sure how its possible to have a reasoned debated in those circumstances.

Alex Salmond's main motivation seems to be to create something he can be President of, never mind the wider ramifications or that the majority of his fellow scots didn't really give a toss until he made it his business to make it an issue.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6471|so randum

eleven bravo wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

the lack of carriers until 2020 is a bit dumb, but for something like the falklands if that re-ignites we still have the RFA heli carriers and subs, coupled with the new type 45s.
ok warman
hooah
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|6680|England. Stoke

Jenspm wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
Scots don't feel represented in UK government/society, want to break free. Fair enough, surely?
They aren't represented in "UK government" as they have their own Parliament and are already largely responsible for their own laws and governance.
rdx-fx
...
+955|6562

FatherTed wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

the lack of carriers until 2020 is a bit dumb, but for something like the falklands if that re-ignites we still have the RFA heli carriers and subs, coupled with the new type 45s.
ok warman
hooah
He's just bent you didn't mention Bradleys
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6376|North Carolina
Decentralization is a good thing when it comes to Europe.
jord
Member
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so will we be good for prima nocta then or not?
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6703|Cambridge, England

Turquoise wrote:

Decentralization is a good thing when it comes to Europe.
What?

Scotland becoming independent means it would likely become a part of Europe (see Ireland) rather than just a part of the UK like it is now.

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