That ignores capital spending, ie all the infrastructure projects etc in scotland which add up to 10 billion. So thats a 9.7 billion deficit they are running.Jay wrote:
Apparently their finances are a lot more balanced than I initially thought. They pay 9.4% of the UKs taxes, but receive only 9.3% of public expenditure in return. Sounds like they could sustain the current environment.rdx-fx wrote:
Oh, the sheep complained to the admins again?13urnzz wrote:
yes, but they aren't allowed into d & st anymore.
Really, now.. he was drunk, it was late.. and he promised it was a one-time thing.
Seriously, though.
Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
I've no idea.
Seems like the Scots would do well enough to get some distance from the Chav & Pensioner system of government that the Londoners seem to be so fond of lately.
(Not that I can claim the US system is currently any better, unfortunately. We're presently deciding on which religious wingnut lunatic to run for President)
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Things to do after independence:
- Join the Euro currency zone.
- Go metric.
- Drive on the right side of the road.
I'm sure they'd have more pressing matters to deal with... such as... anything. I dunno why people post this nonsense in every thread. None of that shit matters.globefish23 wrote:
Things to do after independence:
- Join the Euro currency zone.
- Go metric.
- Drive on the right side of the road.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Join a failing currency...globefish23 wrote:
Things to do after independence:
- Join the Euro currency zone.
- Go metric.
- Drive on the right side of the road.
And I don't get why people don't understand that the UK is now largely metric.
People seem to get extremely uncomfortable when every other country isn't exactly like their own. Those people need to just stay home and shut the fuck up.coke wrote:
Join a failing currency...globefish23 wrote:
Things to do after independence:
- Join the Euro currency zone.
- Go metric.
- Drive on the right side of the road.
And I don't get why people don't understand that the UK is now largely metric.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ok warmanFatherTed wrote:
the lack of carriers until 2020 is a bit dumb, but for something like the falklands if that re-ignites we still have the RFA heli carriers and subs, coupled with the new type 45s.
Tu Stultus Es
They do. It's called Flyover States.Jay wrote:
People seem to get extremely uncomfortable when every other country isn't exactly like their own. Those people need to just stay home and shut the fuck up.
They kind of screwed the pooch the first time around. Who's to say they wouldn't blow state funds again and simply be reabsorbed into the UK?rdx-fx wrote:
Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
Should just do what Northumberland does, keep flying whatever flag they want and be happy with it.
Eh?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
They kind of screwed the pooch the first time around. Who's to say they wouldn't blow state funds again and simply be reabsorbed into the UK?rdx-fx wrote:
Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
Should just do what Northumberland does, keep flying whatever flag they want and be happy with it.
Didn't Scottish colonialism efforts hurt the country, particularly with Panama?
Can't see how that is entirely relevant to the situation now though...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Didn't Scottish colonialism efforts hurt the country, particularly with Panama?
Particularly as this was all before the Act of Union. Scotland wasn't really even a nation state then.
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It was a half-sarcastic historical reference to Scotland's money management before the Act of Union. That was the whole point...
Tu Stultus Es
Fair enough. Money management wasn't really their major problem though. English armies were.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It was a half-sarcastic historical reference to Scotland's money management before the Act of Union. That was the whole point...
and greedy nobles who were as rich in English titles and lands as they are in Scottish
Tu Stultus Es
Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
Scots don't feel represented in UK government/society, want to break free. Fair enough, surely?Cybargs wrote:
Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
Maybe they just want the money pipeline into Scotland widened even further.Jenspm wrote:
Scots don't feel represented in UK government/society, want to break free. Fair enough, surely?Cybargs wrote:
Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
Dunno really. Given the high unemployment and high health spending I'd imagine the Scottish tax take is pretty high.rdx-fx wrote:
Seriously, though.
Does Scotland have the economic independence and natural resource development to go independent?
I've no idea.
Chavs are quite charming compared with the average scottish teenage scrote.Seems like the Scots would do well enough to get some distance from the Chav & Pensioner system of government that the Londoners seem to be so fond of lately.
On balance, the UK will be weaker, Scotland will be drastically weaker. They'll have all the international clout of Malta, but then they're mostly inward looking and haven't thought about that.
Just as Irish Republicanism acquired a blind following of single issue fanatics looking for a cause, Scottish Independence seems to have gone the same way, to include made-up history like 'Braveheart'.
I knew an old scottish bloke at Bisley who said he was so thoroughly indoctrinated with hatred by the teachers at his school that as a 12 year old he stole a rifle and a box of .22lr from the cadets armoury, hiked to the nearest English border and fired them all off in the general direction of 'the sassenachs'. Like most countries, hating the Brits is what you do if you don't have an economy or sunny beaches.
I'm not sure how its possible to have a reasoned debated in those circumstances.
Alex Salmond's main motivation seems to be to create something he can be President of, never mind the wider ramifications or that the majority of his fellow scots didn't really give a toss until he made it his business to make it an issue.
Fuck Israel
hooaheleven bravo wrote:
ok warmanFatherTed wrote:
the lack of carriers until 2020 is a bit dumb, but for something like the falklands if that re-ignites we still have the RFA heli carriers and subs, coupled with the new type 45s.
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
They aren't represented in "UK government" as they have their own Parliament and are already largely responsible for their own laws and governance.Jenspm wrote:
Scots don't feel represented in UK government/society, want to break free. Fair enough, surely?Cybargs wrote:
Meh, this is like the same shit as people in Aus wanting to become a republic. There's no point for it at all.
He's just bent you didn't mention BradleysFatherTed wrote:
hooaheleven bravo wrote:
ok warmanFatherTed wrote:
the lack of carriers until 2020 is a bit dumb, but for something like the falklands if that re-ignites we still have the RFA heli carriers and subs, coupled with the new type 45s.
Decentralization is a good thing when it comes to Europe.
so will we be good for prima nocta then or not?
What?Turquoise wrote:
Decentralization is a good thing when it comes to Europe.
Scotland becoming independent means it would likely become a part of Europe (see Ireland) rather than just a part of the UK like it is now.