AussieReaper
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jord wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Not sure if anyone is actually pro-abortion...
Well there's a surplus population don'tcha know.
Well, maybe in your family.
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jord
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AussieReaper wrote:

jord wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Not sure if anyone is actually pro-abortion...
Well there's a surplus population don'tcha know.
Well, maybe in your family.
7 billion now bro, and it's only rising...
eleven bravo
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I keep reading the title of this thread as "Vagina about to pass"
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eleven bravo
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because this thread is about vaginas
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eleven bravo
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vagina
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Turquoise
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

However, there are a few cases where the crimes committed are so awful and the case is so obvious that the death penalty makes sense.

Tim McVeigh deserved to die.  There really was no point to keeping him in prison for the rest of his life.
Whenever people use the word 'obvious' it shows they haven't really thought about something.

Death clearly wasn't a deterrent, and it wasn't really a punishment since McVeigh went willingly in an effort to become a martyr.
"I knew I wanted this before it happened. I knew my objective was state-assisted suicide and when it happens, it's in your face."

Not sure how its 'obvious' in that context, or any other context really.
Well, we can always be more creative in our use of the death penalty for mass murderers that actually desire to die.  We could've burned him to death.

The only issue there is the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing.  If we modified the cruel part for special cases, then we could truly make an example out of people like McVeigh.
Turquoise
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HITNRUNXX wrote:

The difference will always be if you believe a fetus is life or not...

I get tired of the arguments against it...

To say it is ok, cause it isn't a real baby until it is x-weeks old is absurd. Amazing how if scientists think they find a bacteria on Mars then everything goes apeshit about alien life discovered... But for the sake of justifying murdering another human being, we will debate between 4 weeks it is fine and 6 weeks it isn't... Whatever.
Well, there's a difference between the biological definition of life and the legal definition.

Besides, even the most hardcore pro-lifers usually make exceptions for abortion.  For example, it's usually seen as ok to have an abortion when the mother would otherwise stand a very high chance of death during childbirth.  I don't know too many people that still support a ban in that case.

So, no matter what definition you go with, there will almost always be exceptions.
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If people want to get upset about government overreach, that's fine. If people want to get upset about how horrible the actual ultrasound procedure is...well, then they're just talking out their ass.
Doesn't matter the detail of the procedure, the govt shouldn't be forcing medical procedures on people - thats Stalinist.
Happens all the time with other tests required before doing a procedure.

And nobody is forcing anything. The woman chose to have an abortion...that test is part of the procedure in VA now.
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FEOS
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Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If people want to get upset about government overreach, that's fine. If people want to get upset about how horrible the actual ultrasound procedure is...well, then they're just talking out their ass.
Doesn't matter the detail of the procedure, the govt shouldn't be forcing medical procedures on people - thats Stalinist.
There is a certain irony to how some of the same people in favor of this law are the same ones against socialized medicine for fears of government forcing them to have visits or vaccinations.
Read previous posts, Turq. I'm not sure anyone here is "for" this law.

I find it even more ironic that those opposed to this are rabidly for a nationalized health system. We should have the government involved in our health care...except when we don't want them involved.

Hypocrisy all around.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
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FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Doesn't matter the detail of the procedure, the govt shouldn't be forcing medical procedures on people - thats Stalinist.
There is a certain irony to how some of the same people in favor of this law are the same ones against socialized medicine for fears of government forcing them to have visits or vaccinations.
Read previous posts, Turq. I'm not sure anyone here is "for" this law.

I find it even more ironic that those opposed to this are rabidly for a nationalized health system. We should have the government involved in our health care...except when we don't want them involved.

Hypocrisy all around.
Supporting the government making medications and procedures more affordable is quite different from supporting them forcing you to get probed when it isn't a necessary part of a procedure.

Some models of socialized medicine can be pretty authoritarian, but having an NHS doesn't require things like forcing people to have regular visits.

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Jay
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Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

There is a certain irony to how some of the same people in favor of this law are the same ones against socialized medicine for fears of government forcing them to have visits or vaccinations.
Read previous posts, Turq. I'm not sure anyone here is "for" this law.

I find it even more ironic that those opposed to this are rabidly for a nationalized health system. We should have the government involved in our health care...except when we don't want them involved.

Hypocrisy all around.
Supporting the government making medications and procedures more affordable is quite different from supporting them forcing you to get probed when it isn't a necessary part of a procedure.

Some models of socialized medicine can be pretty authoritarian, but having an NHS doesn't require things like forcing people to have regular visits.
Way to dance. The government in this case (like all others) is in fact driving up the cost by forcing an unnecessary procedure.

I have enjoyed your fascist diatribes regarding killing people though. Very cute. Are you going to start measuring peoples skulls now to determine their worth? You've basically said that you're cool with the Holocaust on this page. Well done.

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-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
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Jay wrote:

Way to dance. The government in this case (like all others) is in fact driving up the cost by forcing an unnecessary procedure.

I have enjoyed your fascist diatribes regarding killing people though. Very cute. Are you going to start measuring peoples skulls now to determine their worth? You've basically said that you're cool with the Holocaust on this page. Well done.

I have no idea where the Holocaust enters this discussion, but I guess Godwin's Law is always in effect.

The government doesn't drive up cost when it comes to bulk discounts on medication via an NHS.  I don't want to derail this thread too much though, since apparently the Holocaust is now up for discussion.

Last edited by FEOS (2012-02-21 03:46:29)

Jay
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In favor of giving more power to the government. In favor of war, euthenasia, death penalty and abortion. You're taking the misanthropic statist position and making the faulty assumption that you are somehow valuable enough to avoid the scythe.

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cheeky_Ninja06
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Meh very few comments here are specific to the issue, the whole thread smells of people regurgitating the same arguments they make whenever "abortion" is raised. Very few are particularly relevant to the OP.
Shahter
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it's just some people have only a coupla ideas and try to bring them into whatever discussion is happening atm. like this bs about "small government" which seems to blow g@lt's noodle so much he's unable to stop babbling about it.

Last edited by Shahter (2012-02-19 10:43:22)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
eleven bravo
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abortion = murder
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Shahter
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oh, yeah, and then there are banal trolls who simply want to be told to fuck off.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Turquoise
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Jay wrote:

In favor of giving more power to the government. In favor of war, euthenasia, death penalty and abortion. You're taking the misanthropic statist position and making the faulty assumption that you are somehow valuable enough to avoid the scythe. You're a world class moron turq.
War makes sense under certain circumstances.  Euthanasia makes sense when there is a legal framework for it -- I figured a libertarian would support giving people the choice of assisted suicide.

The death penalty makes sense with McVeigh types.  And as for abortion, who am I to tell a woman she can't have one?  That's her business, not mine.

You can call war and the death penalty "statist", but the other two aren't.
jord
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I'm for euthenasia, and this post is about as on topic as the rest.
Jaekus
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Macbeth wrote:

So is making women get tubes stuck up their vaginas in order to hear a fetus heartbeat before they get an abortion the right thing to do or the wrong thing? I think it's the wrong thing.
It's unnecessary and is not required as part of the medical procedure. I too think it's the wrong thing.
Reciprocity
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Jaekus wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

So is making women get tubes stuck up their vaginas in order to hear a fetus heartbeat before they get an abortion the right thing to do or the wrong thing? I think it's the wrong thing.
It's unnecessary and is not required as part of the medical procedure. I too think it's the wrong thing.
maybe it is necessary and the doctors just don't know it.  who better than a bunch of old white men in the virginia legislature to determine what's medically necessary in the performance of an abortion?  really jaekus,  you should at least try to approach this from a more rational, open-minded position.
FEOS
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The ironic thing is that you still can't get it through your skull that I agree completely with Jaekus.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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HITNRUNXX
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that's the funny thing. I am as pro-life as you can get, and even I call bullshit on this law.
Dilbert_X
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Turquoise wrote:

Well, we can always be more creative in our use of the death penalty for mass murderers that actually desire to die.  We could've burned him to death.

The only issue there is the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing.  If we modified the cruel part for special cases, then we could truly make an example out of people like McVeigh.
Which would achieve little except to give Sh1fty and lowing hard-ons.
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

Happens all the time with other tests required before doing a procedure.
Which doesn't make it right.

And nobody is forcing anything. The woman chose to have an abortion...that test is part of the procedure in VA now.
Of course they are 'forcing'.

If having your balls groped were a required test before boarding an aeroplane, would that be 'forcing' if its 'part of the procedure'?
You could choose not to travel by plane I guess, ergo its not 'forcing'.

Your logic gets all twisted up.
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