its disrespectful. youd just let some dude jerk off in front your mom on the subway?
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no, i'd send him to the hospital.eleven bravo wrote:
its disrespectful. youd just let some dude jerk off in front your mom on the subway?
i just don't think something so small deserves a lifetime on a sex registry
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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a good tl;dr article on sex offender laws and registries
http://www.economist.com/node/14164614? … extfeature
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did i already say i agree?Jay wrote:
no, i'd send him to the hospital.eleven bravo wrote:
its disrespectful. youd just let some dude jerk off in front your mom on the subway?
i just don't think something so small deserves a lifetime on a sex registry
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whats your take on gang injuctions. ive always thought they were really unconstitutional
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commit minor crime get blacklisted for the rest of your life
fun times.
fun times.
I don't believe in pre-emptive policing.eleven bravo wrote:
whats your take on gang injuctions. ive always thought they were really unconstitutional
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Fair enough. I must admit this isn't something I've bothered to give a great deal of thought to.Jay wrote:
Then lock them up if you feel that strongly.Spark wrote:
Don't see any real problems with it. Personally I think animal abusers are vile scum, and it shows in other aspects of their lives.Macbeth wrote:
So you think this is a good idea then?
This whole registry shit is absurd. If a person commits a crime, is convicted, serves time or does community service or whatever, their debt to society is supposed to be paid. They get to wash their hands of it and move on with their lives. Instead, we keep heaping on the punishment for the rest of their lives. Apply for a job, fill out criminal history on the application, even if completely unrelated. Piss in public, receive a ticket, register as a sex offender for the rest of your life.
If you think a registry is warranted, then the real problem is that you don't think the initial punishments are harsh enough. Fix that instead.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
You just want the right to torture animals.Macbeth wrote:
Literally retarded. A sex offender registry is okay since they violated a human and are a constant threat to others but this is just ridiculous. Someone who left their dog in the car during a heat wave isn't a menace to society that needs to be shamed wherever they go.
Sounds like a good idea TBH, nip sadistic fucks before they really get going.
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That's a bit extreme but...maybe it will help. Maybe some people will think twice before they go all psycho on a helpless animal. But i doubt it
People who neglect or abuse any kind of animal in any way should be locked up.
People who neglect or abuse any kind of animal in any way should be locked up.
Fall seven times. Stand up eight.
Whilst I loathe animal abusers, having a registry isn't going to make the problem go away.
It won't necessarily prevent the problem, but at least it would keep track of these characters, might be used to prevent them buying pets legitimately etc.
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I'm not even sure that a sex registry is a good idea. Rape and offenses against children are pretty awful, but at the same time, we don't have a murder registry. I'd say murder is worse than rape or even pedophilia.Macbeth wrote:
Literally retarded. A sex offender registry is okay since they violated a human and are a constant threat to others but this is just ridiculous. Someone who left their dog in the car during a heat wave isn't a menace to society that needs to be shamed wherever they go.
It's also a question of time served. If someone has spent the allotted time in jail that the system deems is appropriate, then why are these people essentially being punished after their term has ended?
If the fear is of recidivism, then it sounds like they aren't actually ready to be free.
A prison should never release someone into open society whom they have a valid reason to believe would still be a danger to the rest of us. When considering this sort of thing, it implies that maybe we should rethink sentencing for sex crimes.
At the same time, however, it could be said that the registry itself encourages recidivism. If committing a certain crime places you on a list for the rest of your life, leading to ostracism and probably very few employment opportunities, then you'll never really integrate properly into open society again. The associated resentment probably leads a lot of these people to repeat offenses, since they probably figure they have nothing left to lose.
You essentially have to give people a reason to conform to societal norms by providing them something to aspire to in return. If you have nothing left to gain from society, then your motivations are often based around misanthropy and self-loathing.
Adding an animal registry wouldn't be as severe as the sex registry, but it doesn't really seem to help society in any meaningful way and continues the tradition of punishing people long after receiving their official punishment.
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I'm not even sure that a sex registry is a good idea. Rape and offenses against children are pretty awful, but at the same time, we don't have a murder registry. I'd say murder is worse than rape or even pedophilia.
It's also a question of time served. If someone has spent the allotted time in jail that the system deems is appropriate, then why are these people essentially being punished after their term has ended?
If the fear is of recidivism, then it sounds like they aren't actually ready to be free.
A prison should never release someone into open society whom they have a valid reason to believe would still be a danger to the rest of us. When considering this sort of thing, it implies that maybe we should rethink sentencing for sex crimes.
At the same time, however, it could be said that the registry itself encourages recidivism. If committing a certain crime places you on a list for the rest of your life, leading to ostracism and probably very few employment opportunities, then you'll never really integrate properly into open society again. The associated resentment probably leads a lot of these people to repeat offenses, since they probably figure they have nothing left to lose.
You essentially have to give people a reason to conform to societal norms by providing them something to aspire to in return. If you have nothing left to gain from society, then your motivations are often based around misanthropy and self-loathing.
Adding an animal registry wouldn't be as severe as the sex registry, but it doesn't really seem to help society in any meaningful way and continues the tradition of punishing people long after receiving their official punishment.
That's how bad it is in Maryland, they just want to penalize people as much as possible for anything at all and spend lots of tax dollars doing it even though nobody wanted it or cared that much. Liberal big government fail at its best.Macbeth wrote:
Well I see it as a completely ridiculous over reaction to a non-issue. I think this is a weird mix of nanny statism and moral crusading.
We have a very overburdened and loose judicial system because of all the shit the state wants to take on at once though so at least it's easy to not actually have to face any penalties at all. If the arresting officer doesn't show up to court, you're home free, that's how it was when my friend got arrested for possession of marijuana(only intent to use). Probably like that in most places though I would think
Couldn't have been a worse person to make the thread, but no registry is fucking stupid. Harsher punishments or something more generic.
Agreed. A registry is all stick and no carrot.HITNRUNXX wrote:
This.Turquoise wrote:
I'm not even sure that a sex registry is a good idea. Rape and offenses against children are pretty awful, but at the same time, we don't have a murder registry. I'd say murder is worse than rape or even pedophilia.
It's also a question of time served. If someone has spent the allotted time in jail that the system deems is appropriate, then why are these people essentially being punished after their term has ended?
If the fear is of recidivism, then it sounds like they aren't actually ready to be free.
A prison should never release someone into open society whom they have a valid reason to believe would still be a danger to the rest of us. When considering this sort of thing, it implies that maybe we should rethink sentencing for sex crimes.
At the same time, however, it could be said that the registry itself encourages recidivism. If committing a certain crime places you on a list for the rest of your life, leading to ostracism and probably very few employment opportunities, then you'll never really integrate properly into open society again. The associated resentment probably leads a lot of these people to repeat offenses, since they probably figure they have nothing left to lose.
You essentially have to give people a reason to conform to societal norms by providing them something to aspire to in return. If you have nothing left to gain from society, then your motivations are often based around misanthropy and self-loathing.
Adding an animal registry wouldn't be as severe as the sex registry, but it doesn't really seem to help society in any meaningful way and continues the tradition of punishing people long after receiving their official punishment.
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