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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

northern industrial workers had it much worse than slaves in the south. damn carpetbaggers and their war of northern aggression.
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

The U.S. Navy has named a bunch of ships over the years after Confederate leaders including Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. I'm sure there are plenty of cities, roads, landmarks and other things named after them too. Do you think the U.S. government or we as a people should avoid or have a de facto ban on naming things about Confed leaders? No matter how good of generals they were or honorable or anything, they were still traitors who rebelled against their government and country. I'm leaning pretty strongly towards stripping them of any and all posthumous honors.

What do you think?

Now before someone chims in with "what are we supposed to name things after?!''. How about we name things after people who didn't nearly rip the country apart?
Shouldn't name anything after anybody American, you are all traitors who rebelled against our government.
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lol
Jay
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Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  Anyone up for the Timothy McVeigh highway?  How about the Ted Kaczynski turnpike?
I drove on Christopher Columbus Highway today
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
13urnzz
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Jay wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  Anyone up for the Timothy McVeigh highway?  How about the Ted Kaczynski turnpike?
I drove on Christopher Columbus Highway today
on Martin Luther King Day, what an American coincidence!
Hurricane2k9
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you jackasses don't think i'm serious do you

there's a Martin Luther King Jr Avenue in DC, burnzz

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13urnzz
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

you jackasses don't think i'm serious do you

there's a Martin Luther King Jr Avenue in DC, burnzz
there's a Martin Luther King Jr Avenue in every city of every state, except Arizona
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
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13urnzz wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

you jackasses don't think i'm serious do you

there's a Martin Luther King Jr Avenue in DC, burnzz
there's a Martin Luther King Jr Avenue in every city of every state, except Arizona
Fact
unnamednewbie13
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Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  Anyone up for the Timothy McVeigh highway?  How about the Ted Kaczynski turnpike?
William Wallace St vs Jack the Ripper Blvd, if you want to be absurd.

War's over, turq.
Spearhead
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Adolf Hitler Ave

Oddly, despite being a historically tourist-attracting shopping district, all the jewelry stores are located along the parallel road, where there are outrageously-priced parking meters
jsnipy
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You can't cherry pick the parts of history you like.

Comparing confederate generals to Hitler and jack the ripper is absurd.
heggs
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I don't mind them naming places and ships after notable Confederate people. I do, however, have a serious problem with the Confederate Flag. In my opinion, THAT should not be allowed to be waved in this country at all.
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Jay
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Why not?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
jsnipy
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Jay wrote:

Why not?
Because history has deemed the civil war/war between the states to be "about slavery"; which it was not. It was about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, not ethics.
heggs
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Jay wrote:

Why not?
Simply put, they lost and we didn't. If they won, we would probably have their flag instead.
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Turquoise
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  Anyone up for the Timothy McVeigh highway?  How about the Ted Kaczynski turnpike?
William Wallace St vs Jack the Ripper Blvd, if you want to be absurd.

War's over, turq.
Bin Laden Boulevard has a nice ring to it.

heggs wrote:

I don't mind them naming places and ships after notable Confederate people. I do, however, have a serious problem with the Confederate Flag. In my opinion, THAT should not be allowed to be waved in this country at all.
That kind of violates the freedom of speech though.

Last edited by Turquoise (2012-01-17 11:33:01)

Turquoise
O Canada
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jsnipy wrote:

Jay wrote:

Why not?
Because history has deemed the civil war/war between the states to be "about slavery"; which it was not. It was about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, not ethics.
Well, to be fair, every war is about money.  The American Revolution was about taxes, for example.

And even looking past that, every war ends up making certain people a lot of money.
heggs
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Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  Anyone up for the Timothy McVeigh highway?  How about the Ted Kaczynski turnpike?
William Wallace St vs Jack the Ripper Blvd, if you want to be absurd.

War's over, turq.
Bin Laden Boulevard has a nice ring to it.

heggs wrote:

I don't mind them naming places and ships after notable Confederate people. I do, however, have a serious problem with the Confederate Flag. In my opinion, THAT should not be allowed to be waved in this country at all.
That kind of violates the freedom of speech though.
Yeah, you kinda got me there.
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Jay
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heggs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Why not?
Simply put, they lost and we didn't. If they won, we would probably have their flag instead.
So? Should we force the Brits to remove the flag draping from their Consulate building in Manhattan because we beat them? Silly reasoning.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
heggs
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Jay wrote:

heggs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Why not?
Simply put, they lost and we didn't. If they won, we would probably have their flag instead.
So? Should we force the Brits to remove the flag draping from their Consulate building in Manhattan because we beat them? Silly reasoning.
Apples to oranges TBH.

The Confederate flag represented the South during the Civil War. The North won, and we moved forward with a different set of flags throughout history. This was an internal struggle in which we had one victor that has moved forward as one entity, the US.

The British are a completely separate country that while we were at war with them in the past, we are now allied with. Two separate entities existed after the Revolutionary war.

I see the point you're trying to make, however.
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Cybargs
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heggs wrote:

Jay wrote:

heggs wrote:


Simply put, they lost and we didn't. If they won, we would probably have their flag instead.
So? Should we force the Brits to remove the flag draping from their Consulate building in Manhattan because we beat them? Silly reasoning.
Apples to oranges TBH.

The Confederate flag represented the South during the Civil War. The North won, and we moved forward with a different set of flags throughout history. This was an internal struggle in which we had one victor that has moved forward as one entity, the US.

The British are a completely separate country that while we were at war with them in the past, we are now allied with. Two separate entities existed after the Revolutionary war.

I see the point you're trying to make, however.
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well it was taken down after 2001
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unnamednewbie13
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Look, did we reintegrate the south or didn't we? Loyalty to your state was more of a driving force than loyalty to the union. I can see how federal loyalists would have an issue with the confederate flag (history painting things as it has), but not the people caught up in the civil war. What about all the land and homes razed by Union forces? Should we blacklist northern leaders as well? Remove Lincoln from US currency?

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  Anyone up for the Timothy McVeigh highway?  How about the Ted Kaczynski turnpike?
William Wallace St vs Jack the Ripper Blvd, if you want to be absurd.

War's over, turq.
Bin Laden Boulevard has a nice ring to it.
Don't really get the point, do you.

heggs wrote:

Jay wrote:

heggs wrote:

Simply put, they lost and we didn't. If they won, we would probably have their flag instead.
So? Should we force the Brits to remove the flag draping from their Consulate building in Manhattan because we beat them? Silly reasoning.
Apples to oranges TBH.

The Confederate flag represented the South during the Civil War. The North won, and we moved forward with a different set of flags throughout history. This was an internal struggle in which we had one victor that has moved forward as one entity, the US.

The British are a completely separate country that while we were at war with them in the past, we are now allied with. Two separate entities existed after the Revolutionary war.

I see the point you're trying to make, however.
Dude, the war for independence was an internal struggle as well. We were a part of the entity we were trying to break away from, and so was the south.
Spearhead
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Look, did we reintegrate the south or didn't we? Loyalty to your state was more of a driving force than loyalty to the union. I can see how federal loyalists would have an issue with the confederate flag (history painting things as it has), but not the people caught up in the civil war. What about all the land and homes razed by Union forces? Should we blacklist northern leaders as well? Remove Lincoln from US currency?
1. No, we didn't reintegrate the South.  Hence the vast network of military bases, and Jim Crow.  Good article http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 69,00.html

2. Loyalty to the Union was always the driving force behind the Civil war.  Kmar already explained it was a war between people who considered themselves Americans.  Loyalty to your state was more of a driving force?  Where'd you ever hear that?

3. People have an issue with the confederate flag because it is a message to others that says "the second the Federal government does something I don't like, or the second a President gets elected whom I think will do something I don't like (Lincoln), I'm going to violently attempt to take over federal property". (Fort Sumter).  And of course, the whole slavery thing.

4. No one has ever said the Union did not do bad things.  You, on the other hand, seem to believe "history painting things as it has" is the reason people associate the Confederate flag with slavery.  As if it's just an artificial "painting" over some higher truth.

5. Blacklist the abolitionists?  Blacklist a President?  Because people have an issue with naming things after a fake President?  Okay, dude, lol...

Last edited by Spearhead (2012-01-17 20:15:44)

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