it is pretty funny how they mention every single candidate except for ron paul
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haha kind of funny not the other funny
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They mentioned him getting third place and continuing his campaign into NH.
And the whole newsletter thing.
And his policies.
But other than that, no. Not talking about him at all.
And the whole newsletter thing.
And his policies.
But other than that, no. Not talking about him at all.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
ive been watching morning joe this morning for nearly 2 hours and not one mention of paul. they even brought up buddy roemer.
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Your problem is that you're watching Morning Joe.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
ah, i see. "if it doesn't serve our interests it's not democracy". heard that before. actually, that's exactly my point - there simply can be no fucking democracy because media - it's driving instrument - can never be truly free. and you, along with g@lt, with your so called "opinions" are perfect examples of that.FEOS wrote:
Well, then. If you were talking about democracy--and only about democracy--then your post makes no sense (see highlighted portion). It would be you who would be talking about something you had only read about it a book at that point.Shahter wrote:
i was talking about democracy. i repeat - democracy. not a nation. and it is relevant to this discussion because it was supposed to be about media and their ways, which is the main instrument of modern democracy. it was you who started talking about america and russia. also g@lt with his "it's impossible, because by textbooks say it's impossible".FEOS wrote:
Since we were talking largely about America, not sure how you came to that conclusion. Any discussion of the countries mentioned outside of Russia by you would consist of what you read in a book, so again: not sure what you're on about.
i shouldn't probably have addressed you both at the same time, that's right, but ffs, read the posts you reply to.
But interesting discussion.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
The news media is not a homogenous entity, as long as you allow people to voice their opinions through a variety of news channels western democracy works as it should.
The problem is that it's just a glorified popularity contest, which isn't the fault of the media.
The problem is that it's just a glorified popularity contest, which isn't the fault of the media.
inane little opines
nobody allows that. not in the west, not anywhere in the world.Shocking wrote:
as long as you allow people to voice their opinions through a variety of news channels western
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
okay
inane little opines
Yeah, actually the US does allow it. Whether or not the media covers it is another issue.Shahter wrote:
nobody allows that. not in the west, not anywhere in the world.Shocking wrote:
as long as you allow people to voice their opinions through a variety of news channels western
Regarding the popularity contest, that's heavily media driven. It would be interesting to compare the chatter on social media with the chatter in national mainstream media though
So now the media is the driving/controlling instrument of democracy...m'kay.Shahter wrote:
ah, i see. "if it doesn't serve our interests it's not democracy". heard that before. actually, that's exactly my point - there simply can be no fucking democracy because media - it's driving instrument - can never be truly free. and you, along with g@lt, with your so called "opinions" are perfect examples of that.FEOS wrote:
Well, then. If you were talking about democracy--and only about democracy--then your post makes no sense (see highlighted portion). It would be you who would be talking about something you had only read about it a book at that point.Shahter wrote:
i was talking about democracy. i repeat - democracy. not a nation. and it is relevant to this discussion because it was supposed to be about media and their ways, which is the main instrument of modern democracy. it was you who started talking about america and russia. also g@lt with his "it's impossible, because by textbooks say it's impossible".
i shouldn't probably have addressed you both at the same time, that's right, but ffs, read the posts you reply to.
But interesting discussion.
Lay off the vodka, brother.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
one of the most important, yes. no mater how you'd want to deny it - it's just the way it is.FEOS wrote:
So now the media is the driving/controlling instrument of democracy...m'kay.
you know what baffles me about you people and your "freedom of speech" nonsense? you see, every time any sort of discussion starts about cold war and technology levels of that time you start foaming at the mouth saying how commies were only capable of keeping up with you because of their ingenuity and "slave labor" they employed. and that is mostly true, though "slave labor" is something that people did of their own accord, but you won't even consider it and that's fine by me, there are more things in heaven and earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy (c). but i digress.
so, you are so very technologically advanced and you've been that way for most of the cold war. how come then that every time we talk about information manipulation and propaganda you start screaming conspiracy buff at me? "in soviet union there was your fekken propaganda, you evil commie", - you say - "but we are <yadda, yadda, freedom, liberty and strawberry pie>". now stop for a second and rewind a bit back to when you were so very technologically advanced - doesn't that include information technologies? PR technologies? you have the best technologies of those kinds as well, sherlock, but... you just don't do propaganda? seriously? your cars and tv's and the whole lot of other things were so much better than those of evil commies - doesn't that hint at, you know, that there might also be other stuff as better as cars than that of commies'? "but we have freedom of speech!" - no, you don't. you have a whole lot of specially crafted cretins to make it look like you have it.
the game is rigged, man, picking on the likes of me won't fix that. and, btw, i don't drink.
easily controlled via astroturfingKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
the chatter on social media
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
So the cars, aircraft, and other basic tech that the Soviet Union had at the end of the Cold War wasn't less advanced than the comparable, everyday tech of the West? All of that was just manipulated by the Western media to appear that way? The actual, real, pieces of technology that real, actual, people took out of Russia and Eastern Europe after the Wall came down weren't representative of reality? There's different technology that the Soviets were using that remained hidden (purposefully) from Western eyes, by Western media, in order for the West to continue living in a blissfully ignorant bubble of self-deluded superiority over the former Soviet Union?Shahter wrote:
one of the most important, yes. no mater how you'd want to deny it - it's just the way it is.FEOS wrote:
So now the media is the driving/controlling instrument of democracy...m'kay.
you know what baffles me about you people and your "freedom of speech" nonsense? you see, every time any sort of discussion starts about cold war and technology levels of that time you start foaming at the mouth saying how commies were only capable of keeping up with you because of their ingenuity and "slave labor" they employed. and that is mostly true, though "slave labor" is something that people did of their own accord, but you won't even consider it and that's fine by me, there are more things in heaven and earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy (c). but i digress.
so, you are so very technologically advanced and you've been that way for most of the cold war. how come then that every time we talk about information manipulation and propaganda you start screaming conspiracy buff at me? "in soviet union there was your fekken propaganda, you evil commie", - you say - "but we are <yadda, yadda, freedom, liberty and strawberry pie>". now stop for a second and rewind a bit back to when you were so very technologically advanced - doesn't that include information technologies? PR technologies? you have the best technologies of those kinds as well, sherlock, but... you just don't do propaganda? seriously? your cars and tv's and the whole lot of other things were so much better than those of evil commies - doesn't that hint at, you know, that there might also be other stuff as better as cars than that of commies'? "but we have freedom of speech!" - no, you don't. you have a whole lot of specially crafted cretins to make it look like you have it.
Yeah. All that makes perfect sense. Because in today's pervasive media environment it wouldn't be at all difficult to expose something like that in about 2 nanoseconds.
We've said repeatedly on here that our major media outlets are in the pockets of the various political parties. An astute viewer/reader will filter anything they see based on that understanding. That's not propaganda--that's bias. There is a difference. But you see, there are literally thousands of other sources of news out there--most of which all have the core facts the same on a given story--from AJ to The BBC. It's just the opinions/spin around the facts that differ.
Nobody's picking on you, Shahter.Shahter wrote:
the game is rigged, man, picking on the likes of me won't fix that..
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
So if democracy is bad, what should we use then.
a dictatorship with me installed as supreme leader.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
A dictatorship with m3thod installed as supreme leader.
oh, shit. did my language fail me again? or is it you getting your pants in a knot about things i never mentioned - never even remotely implied?FEOS wrote:
So the cars, aircraft, and other basic tech that the Soviet Union had at the end of the Cold War wasn't less advanced than the comparable, everyday tech of the West? All of that was just manipulated by the Western media to appear that way? The actual, real, pieces of technology that real, actual, people took out of Russia and Eastern Europe after the Wall came down weren't representative of reality? There's different technology that the Soviets were using that remained hidden (purposefully) from Western eyes, by Western media, in order for the West to continue living in a blissfully ignorant bubble of self-deluded superiority over the former Soviet Union?
Yeah. All that makes perfect sense. Because in today's pervasive media environment it wouldn't be at all difficult to expose something like that in about 2 nanoseconds.
We've said repeatedly on here that our major media outlets are in the pockets of the various political parties. An astute viewer/reader will filter anything they see based on that understanding. That's not propaganda--that's bias. There is a difference. But you see, there are literally thousands of other sources of news out there--most of which all have the core facts the same on a given story--from AJ to The BBC. It's just the opinions/spin around the facts that differ.
your technologies are better, man, that's the point. which means you were - and still are - as better at information manipulation as you were at building cars.
/sigh
p.s. i'd prefer usm as my supreme leader, btw. military people know how to get shit done. maybe he'd even have the crap waterboarded out of shitfie and the likes.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
I think there was a bit of a "lost in translation" moment there.
Maybe.
So your argument is that--even though everything we were told by our lying, manipulating media about the Soviet Union was true--because they're so good at that (much better than the Russian media, apparently), nothing we are told now is true. Even though everything that we were told previously was true. And they are all in collusion--from Al-Jazeera to the BBC--to perpetuate this lie. Even though they do not tend to get along...but that is clearly to cement the lie in place, right?
You can see how this makes perfect sense so far, Shahter.
Maybe.
So your argument is that--even though everything we were told by our lying, manipulating media about the Soviet Union was true--because they're so good at that (much better than the Russian media, apparently), nothing we are told now is true. Even though everything that we were told previously was true. And they are all in collusion--from Al-Jazeera to the BBC--to perpetuate this lie. Even though they do not tend to get along...but that is clearly to cement the lie in place, right?
You can see how this makes perfect sense so far, Shahter.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
well, obviously not everything you have been told about soviet union was true. you were given a specially manufactured version, which highlighted the flaws and hid the advantages. you were given facts without context, comparisons without perspective, told about events without historical background. that's called propaganda, and they are still at it, you can be sure of that.FEOS wrote:
So your argument is that--even though everything we were told by our lying, manipulating media about the Soviet Union was true--because they're so good at that (much better than the Russian media, apparently), nothing we are told now is true. Even though everything that we were told previously was true. And they are all in collusion--from Al-Jazeera to the BBC--to perpetuate this lie. Even though they do not tend to get along...but that is clearly to cement the lie in place, right?
You can see how this makes perfect sense so far, Shahter.
and no, you don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge, and in today's globalized world they converge like never before in history.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Can you give us some examples of the advantages of the Soviet system?
open a history book, look at what soviets accomplished starting at 1917 and up to, say, first man flying into space. then see if anybody else has ever done anything of the kind in similar time frame.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
why dont you answer his question instead of saying "open a book"
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because i'm an evil commie, a brainwashed bastard and all that jazz. if he finds that - quite obvious - info in his school textbook he's more likely to believe it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
and you wonder why your views are the punchline of a joke to so many
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what makes you think i give a damn about anybody's opinion on my views?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.