Except you can't just press shift, you have to actually run.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Infantry. It's like COD with awesome graphics.
Forget it.
Fuck Israel
Except you can't just press shift, you have to actually run.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Infantry. It's like COD with awesome graphics.
Not sure what to suggest really, every job requires an immense amount of tedious bullshit to get apparently simple things done.I spent a week working at a civil engineering firm between my junior and senior year. More just watching then working. Wasn't that stupid make copy shit, I was just an observer. Thats when I realized it wasn't for me. Met a guy there who spent 3 months designing the drainage for the construction site of a elementary school.
I can't stand inefficiency like that. I could never work in that environment. I need to be around stuff being accomplished, I want to feel like I actually did something with my life. Thats why I went the route of owning my own business.
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Seeing as I was the child of an enlisted man and had to listen to everything he had to say about it my whole life, I won't, thanks. And seeing as how I have ~4x the amount of active duty time you do to draw from, experience wise...I won't. But thanks all the same.Jay wrote:
Seeing as you've never been enlisted, fuck off.FEOS wrote:
First: take Jay's story with a grain of salt. That's one, bitter, person's perspective--who admits they shouldn't have been there to begin with, and thought they were better than everyone else around them from the start. Not the best way to enter a situation. There are literally millions of stories to contradict his. Personally, I know dozens of enlisted troops who are excellent leaders, who are highly sought after by civilian companies, but choose to stay for personal reasons. The dirtbags are the exception, not the rule. But then again, I'm not in the Army.
You won't get into OCS without a degree. So unless you plan on going to college while enlisted, it's not going to happen.
You seem to have a penchant for business. Maybe those early courses didn't hold your attention because it was stuff you already knew? Well, duh. They were intro classes. You have to stick with a program to get something out of it. Seems like maybe that's your issue: you don't have a lot of "stick to it" in you right now. The military would certainly fix that.
but ur bad at cod1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Infantry. It's like COD with awesome graphics.
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Yeah I go into it knowing that. I feel like I have a pretty good idea of just how fucked up the military is, its just what I can make of it. If its going to do more harm than good (which at the moment I feel it'll do more good).Pure_Beef_68 wrote:
This was posted on a previous thread. This is what you could face in the military: http://www.michaelyon-online.com/
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Both, depending on the day of the week.Shocking wrote:
Stories from vets are nice and all but they will either say it was the worst time of their lives or say they want to go back in.
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I think you should be fine.Commie Killer wrote:
According to this: http://www.afsoc.af.mil/specialtactics/tacp/index.asp
I need to have normal color vision and depth perception, which I do. I do not however, have good distance vision. I wear contacts. Now I'd assume that the air force would at first provide me with glasses, and I know for combat duty they then put you on a list for surgery. The question is does anyone know if the need to wear glasses would disqualify me for this position?
I like engineering, I enjoy designing and building things as well, I've done it as a kid, and I just don't know if I would enjoy working at an engineering firm.rdx-fx wrote:
Reading through the OP.
To do well in the military requires discipline.
Same thing you need for college.
The vast majority of people don't get their "calling" in life, there's no 1000 angels trumpeting "This is your path! This degree is YOU! This profession is your calling!". I like engineering - I've been designing things since I could draw. And I hated college courses in engineering. Mostly failed professional engineers that retreated to teaching, because they couldn't handle the professional world.
A bachelors degree is just a ticket to punch. Just a thing you have to do to learn to speak the lingo of a profession. After you graduate, your first professional employer will teach you what you need to know, building on the basics you learned in college. 4 year degree doesn't mean you know a damn thing (look at how vapid and hollow your coursework is), it just means your first professional employer can teach you without having to explain every little basic detail.
If you're just tossing about, then 3 or 4 years of military might be just the thing to get you to focus on what's important to you.
Just don't get blown up, mangled, head-scrambled, dead, or crippled.
Please note: None of those things apply in the Marines.Jay wrote:
Military would be a complete waste of time unless your goal is to be coddled and have all of your decisions made for you for the next four years. You don't need money for college. You don't need a way out of the ghetto. You sure as shit aren't joining for patriotism, so the only thing left is hiding from life. You need a swift kick in the ass, not a four year contract.
You do get coddled. The military treats lower enlisted like they are retarded five year olds that aren't potty trained yet.NAthANSmitt wrote:
Please note: None of those things apply in the Marines.Jay wrote:
Military would be a complete waste of time unless your goal is to be coddled and have all of your decisions made for you for the next four years. You don't need money for college. You don't need a way out of the ghetto. You sure as shit aren't joining for patriotism, so the only thing left is hiding from life. You need a swift kick in the ass, not a four year contract.
You will get your ass kicked...
You will not be coddled...
Your pay will be shit...
And you will hate your life.
I thought the lower officers were "retarded five year olds that aren't potty trained yet"?Jay wrote:
You do get coddled. The military treats lower enlisted like they are retarded five year olds that aren't potty trained yet.
TACPs and Combat Controllers generally run around with ground forces and coordinate any required air power (pick-up, re-supply, close air support, etc). If you want to be an AF ground-pounder and call in the aircraft, that's the thing to do.Commie Killer wrote:
1.) Tactical Air Control Party Specialist: Imbeded with ground units, tougher training, depending the route you go I assume you can operate with regular grunts or Special Forces
The course is 26 college credits and you end up graduating with a Information Systems Technology degree (I have no clue if these degrees apply to civilian life
2.) Missile and Space Facilities Maintenance: ICBM silos, CONUS based, Northern Planes (big thing for me), jack of all trades in the silos, high security clearance (difficult to get?)
Degree is Mechanical and Electrical Technology, 31 credits
3.) Combat Controller: Pretty much same as above, more special forces related, so tougher training, hopefully higher quality individuals.
Degree is Airway Science, unknown credits
4.) Base Security Specialist: pretty obvious, I could be some prick of a MP, Criminal Justice, 17 credits
5.) Airborne Battle Management: Flight pay, possibly pretty interesting, credits vary, Air and Space Operations Technology
6.) Aerospace Control and Warning Systems: Radar Operator, can be strategic (think NORAD) or tactical, 9 credits, Air and Space Operations Technology.
7.) Three different MOS's (they still use that term right?) that deal with base construction and/or engineering. Very likely won't go this route but considering opening a heavy equipment earth moving business later in life. Only reason this stuff is here.
Pilots can have terrible vision as long as it's correctable to 20/20 and does not have a color deficiency such as R/G or B/P color blindness.rdx-fx wrote:
I think you should be fine.Commie Killer wrote:
According to this: http://www.afsoc.af.mil/specialtactics/tacp/index.asp
I need to have normal color vision and depth perception, which I do. I do not however, have good distance vision. I wear contacts. Now I'd assume that the air force would at first provide me with glasses, and I know for combat duty they then put you on a list for surgery. The question is does anyone know if the need to wear glasses would disqualify me for this position?
Only ones that need 20/20 uncorrected vision are pilots, as far as I know.
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I'm not intending to piss on you but I doubt your idea of 'quality' aligns with what most quality management systems really entail.Commie-Killer wrote:
There are quality operations out there but they are hard to find.
For the love of god remember the handkerchief code.Macbeth wrote:
If you decide to join make sure to be careful so you don't get raped
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 … shame.html
Commie Killer wrote:
Onto other stuff. Air Force actually sounds like a reasonable idea and I'm going to pursue it for a little bit, see where it takes me, and maybe join. Went through a bunch of different careers and was hoping I might be able to find someone who can give a little bit of feedback on them.
Here is what I'm looking at, in order of what interests me the most, keep in mind this is all enlisted:
These degrees are all from the Community College of the AF, which is fully accredited, and they usually transfer. If you take enough, you end up with an Associate's Degree, which again, is fully transferable to any civilian institution.1.) Tactical Air Control Party Specialist: Imbeded with ground units, tougher training, depending the route you go I assume you can operate with regular grunts or Special Forces
The course is 26 college credits and you end up graduating with a Information Systems Technology degree (I have no clue if these degrees apply to civilian life
Highly technical, highly hands-on, zero room for error. If you make a mistake, you're toast. Paperwork is done and you're shipped off elsewhere. Since "the incident", the AF has gone back to the SAC mentality with nukes...which is a very good thing.2.) Missile and Space Facilities Maintenance: ICBM silos, CONUS based, Northern Planes (big thing for me), jack of all trades in the silos, high security clearance (difficult to get?)
Degree is Mechanical and Electrical Technology, 31 credits
Toughest AFSC we have. You get to learn how to control aircraft in "austere environments" while traveling to exotic places, meet interesting people, and kill them. Usually embedded with SOF, but can work alone to open airfields.3.) Combat Controller: Pretty much same as above, more special forces related, so tougher training, hopefully higher quality individuals.
Degree is Airway Science, unknown credits
Stay the fuck away from this. Lowest ASVAB scores go here. Like to pretend they are Army, when they aren't. Bunch of kids running around with automatic weapons and attitudes.4.) Base Security Specialist: pretty obvious, I could be some prick of a MP, Criminal Justice, 17 credits
Fly on E-3 and E-8 aircraft, can also work in ground systems (see below). Bonus is you get flight pay. Negative is, I've seen them be quite the prima donna with zero reason to be. Bitched about their flight lunch while the flight brief was about how we would run away if anything went wrong. Critical mission, but some whiny people. Joke in the AF is, "How do you tell the difference between an F-15 and an AWACS? When an F-15 shuts down its engines, the whining stops."5.) Airborne Battle Management: Flight pay, possibly pretty interesting, credits vary, Air and Space Operations Technology
Do the same thing CCT does, but not SOF, and not nearly as hard-core. Non-flying version of above. Work with fixed and tactical radar systems and air traffic control.6.) Aerospace Control and Warning Systems: Radar Operator, can be strategic (think NORAD) or tactical, 9 credits, Air and Space Operations Technology.
Term is AFSC (AF Specialty Code). If you go that route, I would recommend trying to stick with Red Horse civil engineering, which is essentially combat civil engineering.7.) Three different MOS's (they still use that term right?) that deal with base construction and/or engineering. Very likely won't go this route but considering opening a heavy equipment earth moving business later in life. Only reason this stuff is here.
That's my take, based on almost 17 years' active duty experience in the AF. Hope it helped.As of now its either 1 or 2, the combination of interest in it and the degrees seem to make them the best choices. Really need to talk to a recruiter, figure out whats in demand, whats the pay (not a big deal for me but is a concern), benefits, future demand, job security, etc, etc, etc.
Any 1st or second hand experience with any of those MOS's would be greatly appreciated, along with any advice when talking to a recruiter.