Sarrk
O-O-O A-O A
+788|6695|Brisbane, Australia

LOMFG! CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC!!

Alright, before I continue, I ask you all to keep an open mind on this topic, this is only my two cents

Squad Hopping, what It is:

Squad hopping is two things, it can be the cycling of squad leaders by leaving having said leader leave and rejoin, to cycle through players to get a certain player who has a position of advantage be become leader, this place may be

A) A key flag/hiding spot near a key flag, (eg, somewhere around tv station at sharqi)
B) An uncap, Possibly an M95 spot, to sniper jets/choppers or maybe to steal vehicles (Eg, carrier on wake)
C) Just any old sniping spot
D) Anywhere else

whatever the choice the squad has chosen to cycle for, it poses a dangerous threat to the other team,

The other form of hopping, is leaving your squad, and joining another squad to be closer to the battle, I think this one is the only acceptable type of hopping, because who the hell wants to run 5ks across the map, only to be sniped?

Should a squad be efficient in cycling (Voip/Clans/Ect) it is very very hard to remove them. last night, I happened to be playing against (Ark)DJJeffero, Australia's top player, and guess what?

He had his clan with him...........

And guess what they did............Squad hop

And the killer thing about this was, they wanted to get into that Havok no-matter what!

First it started with them rushing with cars and soldier, At the start of the round and when that didn't work, they started to still rush with cars, but launch a dual-pronged attack, they had two cars come from hotel, and from city entrance!

but still, half my team (Who were sitting at the chopper spawn, had some sense, and some decided to defend,

So their attack was countered but still, they came, one of them, managed to get out of the car and hide, and guess what! Squad hop!

And this was when the real nightmare started, they all started to spawn AT, to ground our chopper, I was a sniper, so it was fun playing with these guys, eventually, they started to advance to us, and ran into my claymores, I ran and took cover, but was shot, fortunately for me, I was revived and went to check out the damage.....

https://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3448/screen0938dh.jpg

Yeah, but still! They had one sniper hidden back in some trees, and cycled to him! And after that, when their forces got close, cycled to the closest guy! So now we had a mobile squad rotating squad advancing at us! Kill one, two more pop up!

Finally we got them all, but it was too late, we were 7 tickets left, and the whole match, the only flag we capped fully and actually held was hotel..........


My final say is that: If squad hopping is utilised by a squad efficiently, you are pretty much screwed unless you also have a squad that can hop as well,

Here, Ill take something from the BF2 Manual, "When you hear your squadleader speak - Listen up! Its in your best intrest to keep him alive"

Im not saying that you shouldnt rush if you are a SL, but Im saying that you members need to help keep you alive, that means, if you are a medic, and you see your squad leader on the ground, along with several other scattered friendly bodies, which one do you revive? Duhhhh The SL! That is how you become an effiecient squad, work together well, and none of you should have to spawn! Barring those freak accidents that you cant prevent, like getting cut down by a friendly vod, getting attacked by a chopper/jet when there is no AA around,



SARRK OUT!

Last edited by Sarrk (2006-05-20 17:32:23)

Psycho~*DS*~
Banned
+50|6638
get.................a..................................life..............................................jk

but seriously...........
JeeSqwat
Tactical Specialist
+41|6768|Canada
sorry what he say I fell asleep......
chittydog
less busy
+586|6874|Kubra, Damn it!

Seems like the only people against squad hopping are the ones who've been pwned by it, but haven't gotten to enjoy the wonders of renewing their spawn point.
Sarrk
O-O-O A-O A
+788|6695|Brisbane, Australia

Hey, dont get me wrong, I love to squad hop, its fun to attack uncaps and hit things like tv station, but I do feel that it is wrong, and it gives people a false sense of security, saying to themselves, "Hey its alright, I can spawn back" or "Yeah, I know Im a squad leader, but screw that, Im going to rush the flag! And if I die, We can swap leaders, so I can rush again!"
chittydog
less busy
+586|6874|Kubra, Damn it!

So how is that different from when the SL just hangs back and acts as a spawn point?
Sarrk
O-O-O A-O A
+788|6695|Brisbane, Australia

They don't hang back, they have their men covering them, and having a medic accompany them

Im just saying, when you have a certain squad like that (Hopping) on a carrier or uncap, they become like cockroaches, really, REALLY hard to remove

Otherwise, if they are doing it on a cappable flag, I got no problem with that, as they are easier to get rid of

Last edited by Sarrk (2006-05-19 21:50:35)

benben10
Member
+20|6754
i have done squad hopping alot and i love it, but i still hope it gets removed. you know why? becuase squad hopping is for noobs. because of squad hopping you all think you can just charge any flag and keep on running around like idiots getting shot and just respawn, and then do you know what happens? you ALL get shot and there is NO where to spawn and after you all got slaughtered repeatedly. squad hopping works directly against the motives to play well together because nobody goes medic and then you all repeatedly get slaughtered and waste tickets instead of working together to cover each other and concentrate your fire.

as much as i loved squad hopping it is a MILLION times more fun to be in a good squad that can make enemy flags fall like dominoes and take a few hundered enemy troops down along the way, rather than just be in a dumb squad that tries to camp a vehicle/base by squad hopping.

Last edited by benben10 (2006-05-20 00:01:39)

Empathy
Member
+12|6740
Wall of Text [Headshot - L96A1] =6thAD=Empathy

Regardless of wether it stays or not, I'll adapt. I'll be sad to see it go, and I'm tired to debating this topic, already scrutinized it enough on my Clan boards.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6805|UK
Why dont you use it aswell? You have to admit you would enjoy it if you did use it. I do agree that it shouldnt realy be in ranked servers but tbh i havent noticed it used in many matches at all. The only matches when you use it is clan matches and that is what its going to completly change. Clans will have to change the way they play and i already know alot of clans in TWL who have quit due to the change about to happen. You might want to note that the servers most of you play on are hosted by clans... Clans leave = less servers for you to play on. Now that would realy suck. It is crucial to 5v5 and 8v8 due to the lack of players in the game. Thus anyone who starts with more bases will likely win.

The best choice would be to have a server option:

Squad hopping []          then you just tick the box or not.
Echo
WOoKie
+383|6759|The Netherlands
If they prevent squad hopping or switching squad leaders with this new patch, then the squad leaders must hide well back from the target, a flag whatever. I don't think much guys would like to be squad leader anymore if they have to hide all the time for a squad to be succesfull. Its boring and you don't get much points when your hiding all the time.

I don't see why squad hopping is a bad thing. We switch sl all the time, it has been an important feature since the game was released so why take it out now. I d rather see that ea would spent their time fixing bugs and glitches.
messmessmess17
CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
+54|6592|london, enlgand
well said i think this will just make the squad leaders have to leave the battle just so that their squad members can spawn closer to the fight i think its stupid!!!!!!!!!!!
l41e
Member
+677|6687

(kntl)messmessmess17 wrote:

well said i think this will just make the squad leaders have to leave the battle just so that their squad members can spawn closer to the fight i think its stupid!!!!!!!!!!!
Isn't what they're supposed to do in the first place? I thought that was why you could spawn on them.
chittydog
less busy
+586|6874|Kubra, Damn it!

General-Echo wrote:

I d rather see that ea would spent their time fixing bugs and glitches.
A-freaking-men to that. How many patches have come out that didn't correct the red name bug?
messmessmess17
CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
+54|6592|london, enlgand
Re: Pro-Squad Hopping RemovalGeneral-Echo wrote:
I d rather see that ea would spent their time fixing bugs and glitches.

A-freaking-men to that. How many patches have come out that didn't correct the red name bug?

i agree the amount of times ive teamkilled coz of that bug is frikin stupid
Minion
C:/DOS - C:/DOS/RUN - RUN/DOS/RUN
+54|6637|Newfoundland, Canada
Just wondering, but if they disable squad hopping, wont that mean that there will be more squads made?... like... for example... the squad leader dies, so everyone freaks out and they're like "OMG OMG OMG MAKE ANOTHER SQUAD QUICK!!!" so that the remaining squad members can still use eachother as spawn points... this will be really annoying, for the fact that it's a pain in the ass when me and my clan friends come in a server and try to create a squad, but there's already too many squads, so this is just going to add to that annoyance... -.-

I don't know much about how this disabling squad hopping is gonna work... but i've just been wondering about that...  i'm all up for the 'more teamwork' but i'm just affraid that if this does happen, it's going to be hard to even create a squad in the first place...

peace
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Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6805|UK

-=]V[-i-n-i-o-n=- wrote:

Just wondering, but if they disable squad hopping, wont that mean that there will be more squads made?... like... for example... the squad leader dies, so everyone freaks out and they're like "OMG OMG OMG MAKE ANOTHER SQUAD QUICK!!!" so that the remaining squad members can still use eachother as spawn points... this will be really annoying, for the fact that it's a pain in the ass when me and my clan friends come in a server and try to create a squad, but there's already too many squads, so this is just going to add to that annoyance... -.-

I don't know much about how this disabling squad hopping is gonna work... but i've just been wondering about that...  i'm all up for the 'more teamwork' but i'm just affraid that if this does happen, it's going to be hard to even create a squad in the first place...

peace
The change they are making is that you cant spawn form a squad leader untill you have first spawned from a fixed position and died again. So no ppl wont be changing squads at all.
Minion
C:/DOS - C:/DOS/RUN - RUN/DOS/RUN
+54|6637|Newfoundland, Canada

Vilham wrote:

-=]V[-i-n-i-o-n=- wrote:

Just wondering, but if they disable squad hopping, wont that mean that there will be more squads made?... like... for example... the squad leader dies, so everyone freaks out and they're like "OMG OMG OMG MAKE ANOTHER SQUAD QUICK!!!" so that the remaining squad members can still use eachother as spawn points... this will be really annoying, for the fact that it's a pain in the ass when me and my clan friends come in a server and try to create a squad, but there's already too many squads, so this is just going to add to that annoyance... -.-

I don't know much about how this disabling squad hopping is gonna work... but i've just been wondering about that...  i'm all up for the 'more teamwork' but i'm just affraid that if this does happen, it's going to be hard to even create a squad in the first place...

peace
The change they are making is that you cant spawn form a squad leader untill you have first spawned from a fixed position and died again. So no ppl wont be changing squads at all.
ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up, appreciate it.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6714|Canberra, AUS

Janus67 wrote:

tl;dr

:p
?!

What?

Weird.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6634|Ohio, USA

Spark wrote:

Janus67 wrote:

tl;dr

:p
?!

What?

Weird.
stands for too long didn't read.  and the :p showed that I was kidding.

oh and btw, thanks for the -1!

Last edited by Janus67 (2006-05-20 22:23:24)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6805|UK

-=]V[-i-n-i-o-n=- wrote:

Vilham wrote:

The change they are making is that you cant spawn form a squad leader untill you have first spawned from a fixed position and died again. So no ppl wont be changing squads at all.
ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up, appreciate it.
I just noticed you said you were in a clan. Im guessing that means you squad hop alot in clan matches like my clan, this change is going to completly change the way clans play.
Minion
C:/DOS - C:/DOS/RUN - RUN/DOS/RUN
+54|6637|Newfoundland, Canada

Vilham wrote:

-=]V[-i-n-i-o-n=- wrote:

Vilham wrote:

The change they are making is that you cant spawn form a squad leader untill you have first spawned from a fixed position and died again. So no ppl wont be changing squads at all.
ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up, appreciate it.
I just noticed you said you were in a clan. Im guessing that means you squad hop alot in clan matches like my clan, this change is going to completly change the way clans play.
I'll admit, yes we do use squad hopping, but i'm all up for changing it up a bit... i'm mostly the squad leader anyway, and i like the sniper kit, so sitting back and staying safe is something i can do without a problem.
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137[CSi]
Headshot Specialist
+104|6876|Woodland Hills, Ca

Vilham wrote:

-=]V[-i-n-i-o-n=- wrote:

Vilham wrote:

The change they are making is that you cant spawn form a squad leader untill you have first spawned from a fixed position and died again. So no ppl wont be changing squads at all.
ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up, appreciate it.
I just noticed you said you were in a clan. Im guessing that means you squad hop alot in clan matches like my clan, this change is going to completly change the way clans play.
You mean you would actually have to resort to playing smart instead of mindlessly spawn hopping on the guy good enough to stay alive and to get to the other side of the map?

Thats crazy I feel so bad for you.
BigSwoll
Member
+0|6753|Gahanna, Ohio

Janus67 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Janus67 wrote:

tl;dr

:p
?!

What?

Weird.
stands for too long didn't read.  and the :p showed that I was kidding.

oh and btw, thanks for the -1!
Goon
joker8baller
Member
+68|6706
lol I think every clan is moving to BF 2 Pro, where squad hopping will still exist. EA is just noobyfying the game.

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