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I wouldn't say pathetic. Considering I have no family to take care, I'm living in the barracks, and I get three meals every day in the DFAC. I get to spend the majority of my paycheck on what ever I want. Hookers, alcohol, important shit, etc.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Joining the military for pay? the pay is pathetic.
I'm enlisting in the Corps around January (Having school record issues) and if all goes well I ship to boot August 7th '12, the pay I'll get is pathetic. The guard job I could get at my friend's company is way higher.
God Bless the veterans, past, present, and future. Thank you for your service.
Bush Strategy to avoid going to war:Dilbert_X wrote:
No they don't.Jay wrote:
Also, they have every right to call you a coward because you chose not to serve. Deal with it.
Volunteering to fight during wartime is one thing.
Volunteering not to fight during peacetime is another.
Doing everything possible to avoid being drafted during wartime is a whole different thing altogether.
It is if its a champagne squadron which never gets deployed, more so if he doesn't even do the minimum hours.I'm going to go out on a limb and say that becoming a fighter pilot during the Cold War probably wasn't the most sure-fire way to avoid war...
There was no guarantee when he joined that would be the case.Dilbert_X wrote:
It is if its a champagne squadron which never gets deployed, more so if he doesn't even do the minimum hours.I'm going to go out on a limb and say that becoming a fighter pilot during the Cold War probably wasn't the most sure-fire way to avoid war...
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Ending slavery took a while longer though-Sh1fty- wrote:
The U.S. Declaration of Independence says that all men are entitled to freedom.
Shahter wrote:
this thread is pathetic. especially the part of it about "freedom as the natural state of human being".
that said, my respects to all vets, gone and present.
note: those are the clauses that are still in force todayThe Magna Carta wrote:
1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.
9. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.
29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[42]
US Declaration of Independence wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[74] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Freedom is as natural to the state of man as life itself.dictionary.com wrote:
lib·er·ty
[lib-er-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural -ties.
1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
4. freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint: The prisoner soon regained his liberty.
5. permission granted to a sailor, especially in the navy, to go ashore.
It's called the Geneva Convention.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do you have to carry ID wherever you go?
XD so randumFEOS wrote:
It's called the Geneva Convention.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do you have to carry ID wherever you go?
Doh. Threadlock.Cybargs wrote:
XD so randumFEOS wrote:
It's called the Geneva Convention.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do you have to carry ID wherever you go?
I don't think theres a national ID in the US amirite?
today while on my way to work i saw this fence with "curt cobain lives!!!!1!1one!!!1!eleven!!!1" written on it (in russian). should i now consider the possibility that he may actually be alive?FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:
this thread is pathetic. especially the part of it about "freedom as the natural state of human being".
that said, my respects to all vets, gone and present.note: those are the clauses that are still in force todayThe Magna Carta wrote:
here be some stuffUS Declaration of Independence wrote:
here be some more stuffFreedom is as natural to the state of man as life itself.dictionary.com wrote:
more stuff still
So what is your position? That the natural state of man is to be enslaved by a totalitarian state, and then be forced to erect statues to its diminutive tyrants everywhere possible, in order that said tyrants might compensate for something?Shahter wrote:
today while on my way to work i saw this fence with "curt cobain lives!!!!1!1one!!!1!eleven!!!1" written on it (in russian). should i now consider the possibility that he may actually be alive?FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:
this thread is pathetic. especially the part of it about "freedom as the natural state of human being".
that said, my respects to all vets, gone and present.note: those are the clauses that are still in force todayThe Magna Carta wrote:
here be some stuffUS Declaration of Independence wrote:
here be some more stuffFreedom is as natural to the state of man as life itself.dictionary.com wrote:
more stuff still
Uh, yeah.FEOS wrote:
So what is your position? That the natural state of man is to be enslaved by a totalitarian state, and then be forced to erect statues to its diminutive tyrants everywhere possible, in order that said tyrants might compensate for something?Shahter wrote:
today while on my way to work i saw this fence with "curt cobain lives!!!!1!1one!!!1!eleven!!!1" written on it (in russian). should i now consider the possibility that he may actually be alive?FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:
this thread is pathetic. especially the part of it about "freedom as the natural state of human being".
that said, my respects to all vets, gone and present.note: those are the clauses that are still in force todayThe Magna Carta wrote:
here be some stuffFreedom is as natural to the state of man as life itself.US Declaration of Independence wrote:
here be some more stuff
'Freedom' is a pretty broad term. In Hobbesian thought the natural state of man is indeed total 'freedom', but he is also subject to pain, suffering, and death at the hands of all the other 'free' people. Nothing about democracy is natural. It is entirely artificial, and can even be seen as a limit to freedom in order to guarantee the means to life. You trade in absolute freedom for assured limited freedoms.FEOS wrote:
So what is your position? That the natural state of man is to be enslaved by a totalitarian state, and then be forced to erect statues to its diminutive tyrants everywhere possible, in order that said tyrants might compensate for something?Shahter wrote:
today while on my way to work i saw this fence with "curt cobain lives!!!!1!1one!!!1!eleven!!!1" written on it (in russian). should i now consider the possibility that he may actually be alive?FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:
this thread is pathetic. especially the part of it about "freedom as the natural state of human being".
that said, my respects to all vets, gone and present.note: those are the clauses that are still in force todayThe Magna Carta wrote:
here be some stuffFreedom is as natural to the state of man as life itself.US Declaration of Independence wrote:
here be some more stuff
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Pochsy there have pretty much answered for me, though i'd make a small correction:FEOS wrote:
So what is your position? That the natural state of man is to be enslaved by a totalitarian state, and then be forced to erect statues to its diminutive tyrants everywhere possible, in order that said tyrants might compensate for something?Shahter wrote:
today while on my way to work i saw this fence with "curt cobain lives!!!!1!1one!!!1!eleven!!!1" written on it (in russian). should i now consider the possibility that he may actually be alive?FEOS wrote:
note: those are the clauses that are still in force today
Freedom is as natural to the state of man as life itself.
freedom is the natural state of wild beast - g@lt would be a good example of one. humans, imho, should strive to be something more. thus, since human societies and traditions are so different, it takes different kinds of government to impose order on them, and if takes totalitarian regime - so be it.Pochsy wrote:
'Freedom' is a pretty broad term. In Hobbesian thought the natural state of man is indeed total 'freedom', but he is also subject to pain, suffering, and death at the hands of all the other 'free' people. Nothing about democracy orderly human society is natural. It is entirely artificial, and can even be seen as a limit to freedom in order to guarantee the means to life. You trade in absolute freedom for assured limited freedoms.
