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Next episode is tonight

Really, cause I was like, nothing actually happened this episode...

RAIMIUS wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

here's an interesting post from a Walking Dead forum.

First off, the military does NOT have unlimited ammo, and most of the ammo they have is NOT stored in bases in the US. Furthermore, no army in the world trains it's standard infantry troops to make head shots, they shoot for 'center mass' - the torso. Also, a large portion of our military is deployed in other countries, so operations on our home soil would be handled mainly by the National Guard. This is a problem because a) guardsmen train less than regular soldiers and b) it would be difficult for a part-time soldier/guardsman to leave his family and report for duty. In hurricane Katrina, less than 40% of the New Orleans police force showed up for work - they wanted to stay with their families and make sure THEY were safe.

It is also very difficult to imagine US soldiers being given orders to kill infected civilians right off the bat, even if they are going to become zombies eventually. It is even harder to imagine them FOLLOWING such orders.

Finally, there are about 300,000 soldiers in the US military. There are 300 MILLION civilians in the country. Not only does the army not have 300 million bullets, let alone enough bullets to ensure 300 million headshots, but very few people, soldiers or civilian, would be able to singlehandedly kill 1,000 zombies, which is what each soldier would have to do. Gunshots also bring more zombies to your position, in greater numbers than you can handle.

Internet forums are the most reliable way to find arguments using sound statistics.  /facepalm

Below is a chart of production by the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant

http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/Se … _ammo.html

Actually it's more like 2.8 million people in the (US) military. Plus, a lot of countries including the US keep track of people who are "fit" for military duty in the event of extra-ordinary circumstances that require a draft, which has happened before.

Whoever made that argument is sort of an idiot, because of his assumptions that the only weapon in a military's arsenal seems to be an assault rifle and bullets.

His only valid point is the thing about the National Guard. There's a slight disconnect with duty and obedience between active duty personnel and reserve personnel. At least, that's my opinion, assuming there were an actual zombie apocalypse.

As a Guardsman myself, I would be one of those individuals who wouldn't show up for duty, for a variety of reasons. The most important being the safety of my own family. Don't get me wrong, I love my country, and as far as orders and duty is concerned, I'd be one of the last people to waiver from that, but the thing is, a zombie apocalypse is not exactly a foreign enemy attacking US citizens.

Depending on how severe this hypothetical apocalypse were, our society, standards and morals would just be obliterated (like Katrina). I highly doubt I'd be the only so called "deserter" in such an event, and even in normal times the Guard still can't tell its head from it's ass sometimes (this comes from personal experience). I can't imagine the chaos and confusion in any National Guard unit that would ensue as a result.

Pay would be forfeited or worthless more than likely as a result of a collapse of the financial sector,  so nobody would be getting paid, and never mind trying to find the money and equipment to pay and equip millions of draftees. Don't forget the time it would take to train them all, even with some less-than-standard-emergency training program that's probably already written up in some contingency plans collecting dust.

I'd rather take my chances surviving on my own with my family, helping others along the way than getting shafted on guard duty in bumfuck Idaho to preserve our current government and politicians.

The way I see it, I'd be doing more good that way than anything. It's not oppression we're facing, its survival. The American way of life and the constitution would still exist.

Nic wrote:

Really, cause I was like, nothing actually happened this episode...

I think them finally finding a possible safe haven is huge. According to the e-mail newsletter I get, they'll be spending a lot of season on the farm.

5 miles you silly goose

but i completely understand and agree with your point.  it's kind of a miracle the farm is untouched

We'd have to understand the walkers a little better before we jump to conclusions. They seem to stick around the remnants of civilization so they wouldn't really have a reason to travel 5 miles into the middle of nowhere.

Not knowing how they function though, I'd assume a horde would have wandered by the farm already.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Nic wrote:

unless it was ground zero (I figure thats what the doctor whispered to him on the way out, and would explain the suicides a bit better.).

What is that supposed to mean?

here's an interesting post from a Walking Dead forum.

First off, the military does NOT have unlimited ammo, and most of the ammo they have is NOT stored in bases in the US. Furthermore, no army in the world trains it's standard infantry troops to make head shots, they shoot for 'center mass' - the torso. Also, a large portion of our military is deployed in other countries, so operations on our home soil would be handled mainly by the National Guard. This is a problem because a) guardsmen train less than regular soldiers and b) it would be difficult for a part-time soldier/guardsman to leave his family and report for duty. In hurricane Katrina, less than 40% of the New Orleans police force showed up for work - they wanted to stay with their families and make sure THEY were safe.

It is also very difficult to imagine US soldiers being given orders to kill infected civilians right off the bat, even if they are going to become zombies eventually. It is even harder to imagine them FOLLOWING such orders.

Finally, there are about 300,000 soldiers in the US military. There are 300 MILLION civilians in the country. Not only does the army not have 300 million bullets, let alone enough bullets to ensure 300 million headshots, but very few people, soldiers or civilian, would be able to singlehandedly kill 1,000 zombies, which is what each soldier would have to do. Gunshots also bring more zombies to your position, in greater numbers than you can handle.

You can fire a machine gun into a herd of zombies all day long and not kill more than a few of them - remember, headshots are all that matter. Even if you blow off a zombie's arms or legs, it will still use whatever limbs it has left to attack you.

THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY:
Would you rather be...
1) A single solitary soldier with an assault rifle, being attacked by 1,000 people armed with bare hands, sticks, and rocks, OR
2) One of 1,000 people in a crowd attacking one soldier with an assault rifle?

Granted, each bullet is more likely to kill it's target than each rock, but the fact is that most of the 1,000 will survive while the one soldier will certainly die.

Considering I carried 800 rounds on me and had access to thousands more while deployed, both you and the forum idiot haven't a clue what you are talking about.

cdailey2142 wrote:

Is it just me or is the series getting to wrapped up in the personal lives of each person rather than concentrating on the zombie aspect of the show? Don't get me wrong, I love the show but I wish they would put more time into the zombie issue rather than all the time searching for the little girl and dealing with all the personal issues of each Character. Just my opinion.

Yeah. But AMC fired Darabont, so its bound to go downhill.

And Jay, someone else already posted a chart showing how wrong shifty and that other dumb ass were.

CapnNismo wrote:

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Holy shit... Shane is a fucking monster! I can't believe he just shot the guy right there to leave him as a distraction for the walkers. G'damn...

Face it, it was his best option. His ankle was messed up and he still managed to keep up quite well with the fat guy as far as speed and he would have been able to keep going a lot longer.
It wouldn't surprise me if Otis would have become a burden to him after 5 more minutes of running.

Better to have one survive (especially the one that was a former police officer) than neither.

Kampframmer wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Holy shit... Shane is a fucking monster! I can't believe he just shot the guy right there to leave him as a distraction for the walkers. G'damn...

Face it, it was his best option. His ankle was messed up and he still managed to keep up quite well with the fat guy as far as speed and he would have been able to keep going a lot longer.
It wouldn't surprise me if Otis would have become a burden to him after 5 more minutes of running.

Better to have one survive (especially the one that was a former police officer) than neither.

Yea, but Otis was also a paramedic and knew how to treat wounds and do other stuff. He would have been useful.

Jay wrote:

Common knowledge.

Perhaps for those that have been in the military, but I only grew up in the military.

It was either both of them or one of them making it back. But I think this is going to send Shane way further down the chute into the land of insanity.

Younger, in-shape man with experience in firearms and hand to hand combat vs. an aging, overweight guy. I know who I'd take on my side if I was trying to survive. Yes Otis had the medical experience, but considering it looks like they're going to be leaving soon for Fort Benning (their original destination), it doesn't matter much.

The 30 second struggle is no excuse to say that his initial plan was shit.
The struggle wasn't part of the plan. He would shoot him, Otis would go down and serve as a distraction and Shane would be able to escape