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Jay wrote:

DUnlimited wrote:

Jay wrote:

Your parents pay taxes, no?
my parents are not students. way to sidestep my point.

of course we pay more taxes in here but i'd put free education for anyone preeetty high in priorities when it comes to state budget.
My parents aren't students either but they helped my brothers pay for college. You will be paying for other peoples tuition for the rest of your life. But grats on your 'free' education I guess.
I could have never afforded college if i had to pay tens of thousands per semester, and don't say that my parents could have saved up for that because they couldn't have. I am from a rather large, low income family, yet most of my siblings are going for a degree or already have one.

i cant think of a better investment for a government than maintaining high-level education that is available to everyone regardless of their financial position. Everyone can pay progressive taxes but everyone can't dish out 80k a year for their kids' education, especially when they have 2-3 studying at the same time.

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Jay
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DUnlimited wrote:

Jay wrote:

DUnlimited wrote:


my parents are not students. way to sidestep my point.

of course we pay more taxes in here but i'd put free education for anyone preeetty high in priorities when it comes to state budget.
My parents aren't students either but they helped my brothers pay for college. You will be paying for other peoples tuition for the rest of your life. But grats on your 'free' education I guess.
I could have never afforded college if i had to pay tens of thousands per semester, and don't say that my parents could have saved up for that because they couldn't have. I am from a rather large, low income family, yet most of my siblings are going for a degree or already have one.

i cant think of a better investment for a government than maintaining high-level education that is available to everyone regardless of their financial position. Everyone can pay progressive taxes but everyone can't dish out 80k a year for their kids' education, especially when they have 2-3 studying at the same time.
State school tuition is ~$10k a year, not $80k. There are scholarships, and grants, and parents who save. College is easily within the reach of even the poorest Americans. The only people that bitch are those that go to private college and get useless degrees. Their own fault.
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DUnlimited wrote:

Jay wrote:

DUnlimited wrote:


my parents are not students. way to sidestep my point.

of course we pay more taxes in here but i'd put free education for anyone preeetty high in priorities when it comes to state budget.
My parents aren't students either but they helped my brothers pay for college. You will be paying for other peoples tuition for the rest of your life. But grats on your 'free' education I guess.
I could have never afforded college if i had to pay tens of thousands per semester, and don't say that my parents could have saved up for that because they couldn't have. I am from a rather large, low income family, yet most of my siblings are going for a degree or already have one.

i cant think of a better investment for a government than maintaining high-level education that is available to everyone regardless of their financial position. Everyone can pay progressive taxes but everyone can't dish out 80k a year for their kids' education, especially when they have 2-3 studying at the same time.
No such thing as a free lunch. Taxes pay into higher education.

DU, there are state schools in the US where people can go. Most expensive I think is the UC's where their tuition is like 12k a semester. As Jay said you can EASILY get scholarships and shit. Hell, some people are better off working out of high school instead of going to college. Even when college is free someone has to pay for your expenses, which is an opportunity cost for you to get a job first.

Hell even in Australia we pay for uni, it puts more value towards the education. Why should private colleges be free? there are state colleges that are cheap enough.
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My school has even lower tuition. It's about 4800 a year. But about 85% of it is covered by financial aid. I have friends that get actually get paid to go to school.

Yet my mother went to the same schools for free.
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Everyone wrote:

Hipsters
Has anyone been to it or are we just coming to this conclusion based off of what we see on T.V.?
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its not only hipsters. there are some retirees, veterans, and people from all walks of life.
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

its not only hipsters. there are some retirees, veterans, and people from all walks of life.
aka friends of hipsters
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Superior Mind wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

its not only hipsters. there are some retirees, veterans, and people from all walks of life.
aka friends of hipsters
AKA unemployed.
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Jay wrote:

State school tuition is ~$10k a year, not $80k. There are scholarships, and grants, and parents who save. College is easily within the reach of even the poorest Americans. The only people that bitch are those that go to private college and get useless degrees. Their own fault.
my school was something like $18k/year.  College isn't easily within reach of everyone.  I guess you don't know many people who had to grind their way through college.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

State school tuition is ~$10k a year, not $80k. There are scholarships, and grants, and parents who save. College is easily within the reach of even the poorest Americans. The only people that bitch are those that go to private college and get useless degrees. Their own fault.
my school was something like $18k/year.  College isn't easily within reach of everyone.  I guess you don't know many people who had to grind their way through college.
But that's what scholarships/grants and parents who save is for!
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

State school tuition is ~$10k a year, not $80k. There are scholarships, and grants, and parents who save. College is easily within the reach of even the poorest Americans. The only people that bitch are those that go to private college and get useless degrees. Their own fault.
my school was something like $18k/year.  College isn't easily within reach of everyone.  I guess you don't know many people who had to grind their way through college.
I didn't join the army to pay for school or anything...
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ah, easily within reach.  all you had to do was join the army and serve a tour.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

ah, easily within reach.  all you had to do was join the army and serve a tour.
Could've just as easily gone to community college for two years followed by state school for a whopping $25k, not including fafsa or scholarships. College isnt that expensive. Thats a new car.
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Health Department must be itching to shut these people down.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

State school tuition is ~$10k a year, not $80k. There are scholarships, and grants, and parents who save. College is easily within the reach of even the poorest Americans. The only people that bitch are those that go to private college and get useless degrees. Their own fault.
my school was something like $18k/year.  College isn't easily within reach of everyone.  I guess you don't know many people who had to grind their way through college.
You go UC?

My friend who's pretty damn wealthy got a grant from broke ass cali for like 9k to go to UC and tuition + board is 11k i think. Some people have to work first before college, thats the reality.
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So I've never addressed their disjointed demands...

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
For a lifetime? Hah.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Pfft.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Um...

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
The southern states would clamor to secede from the union, and perhaps some northern ones as well.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
I agree. As-is, elections are pretty open to fraud. During the 2008 campaign, there were college students openly boasting about how many times they've voted and how many places they've been to do so.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
HOW ABOUT NO. How about putting more focus on finance and economics in high school so people understand credit and loans? If people understand this, they'll be less likely to spend more than they can ultimately afford. This demand would take food out of creditors' children's mouths. People should pay back their IOU's, big or small, formalized or not.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Without being able to check on people's credit reports, prices across the board for loans and mortgages will skyrocket to cover potential damages. Manage your money better.
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LOL OCCUPY SYDNEY. fucking hipsters.
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apparently, Jay got trolled

Jay wrote:

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.


lolz.
http://occupywallst.org/article/a-messa … -day-five/

"On September 21st, 2011, Troy Davis, an innocent man, was murdered by the state of Georgia. Troy Davis was one of the 99 percent.

Ending capital punishment is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, the richest 400 Americans owned more wealth than half of the country's population.

Ending wealth inequality is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, four of our members were arrested on baseless charges.

Ending police intimidation is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, we determined that Yahoo lied about occupywallst.org being in spam filters.

Ending corporate censorship is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, roughly eighty percent of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track.

Ending the modern gilded age is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, roughly 15% of Americans approved of the job Congress was doing.

Ending political corruption is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of Americans did not have work.

Ending joblessness is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of America lived in poverty.

Ending poverty is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, roughly fifty million Americans were without health insurance.

Ending health-profiteering is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, America had military bases in around one hundred and thirty out of one hundred and sixty-five countries.

Ending American imperialism is our one demand.

On September 21st, 2011, America was at war with the world.

Ending war is our one demand"

it's looks different from what was posted in the OP.
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Cybargs wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

State school tuition is ~$10k a year, not $80k. There are scholarships, and grants, and parents who save. College is easily within the reach of even the poorest Americans. The only people that bitch are those that go to private college and get useless degrees. Their own fault.
my school was something like $18k/year.  College isn't easily within reach of everyone.  I guess you don't know many people who had to grind their way through college.
You go UC?

My friend who's pretty damn wealthy got a grant from broke ass cali for like 9k to go to UC and tuition + board is 11k i think. Some people have to work first before college, thats the reality.
UCLA

I honestly can't remember how much it came out to, but it was somewhere around 20K
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lol american poverty. American poverty is a joke. Shit those living in poverty in America have more money than some chinese guy busting 18 hours a day at a factory.
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Jay
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Cybargs wrote:

lol american poverty. American poverty is a joke. Shit those living in poverty in America have more money than some chinese guy busting 18 hours a day at a factory.
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13urnzz wrote:

it's looks different from what was posted in the OP.
It's subtle. But there is a difference.
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Ty wrote:

From what I understand this protest is in regard to increasing income disparity and waning social mobility in the US. To a certain extent it is the cry of a bunch of over-privelaged children with a false sense of entitlement. It also seems poorly structured and has no real direction. But I think there is some discussion value in the points that they are presumably trying to make. Income disparity in the US is at a ridiculous level and is getting worse while people earning obscene amounts of money are not being taxed to a level that seems remotely fair. Social mobility, the backbone of the national ethos, is declining - I believe the US rates tenth in the world for this which is pretty poor for a country that prides itself on "The American Dream". America increasingly seems to be a nation for the rich with the laws and even the culture of the country catering more and more to wealthy people who really dont need the help. I think these people are just generally frustrated with all of this but don't quite know exactly what they're mad at or why.
^

Also, free college isn't unrealistic at all, school is free for the first 10 years of your education, why not the following three - when the student/teacher ratio is much higher?
100 years ago staying in school past 14 was an unrealistic dream in the whole western world, now leaving before 18 is unusual.

Makes more sense than paying for a bloated military which as we know is just workfare in camo
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