The Dubstep & Drum N Bass Appreciation Thread

2011-09-09 08:29:39

#376

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

I am trying to get a very simple point across, but you just seem to be ignoring it.
Maybe you fling the work 'art' around too much. When i look/listen to something that tries to be art, i will do so critically. Not every exposition that you go to contains good art, or just art for that matter.
Just because people like something, doesn't make it good. it only makes it good according to them. Of course there is the issue of: Then who determines what is good or not? Nobody. There are a certain set of standards (and yes, these may vary to some degree for each and everyone of us) that they will have to live up to in order to be good, art or both.

If you say (hypothetically) that Skrillex (just to keep this thread from derailing too much) makes better music than Beethoven, then you are just plain wrong. Even if Skrillex would have more listeners that would agree with you on that, that doesnt change the fact that Beethoven makes better music than Skrillex.

I know that a lot of music i listen to is shit, but i personally still like listening to it. I also know that i personally have certain preferences when it comes to paintings, or any other art form for that matter and yet i still know that a painting that i personally don't like might be better than one that i personally do like.

And now i am tired of typing the word personally because apparently youre mixing up what i (or others) think is good and what is actually good

Last edited by Kampframmer (2011-09-09 08:30:38)

2011-09-09 08:34:25

#377

gurdeep: +812|4754|prolly

Kampframmer wrote:
When people are being stupid and ignorant about those kinds of things then they deserve to be told what complete idiots they are.

lol, irony

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2011-09-09 08:37:01

#378

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6191|Roma

has to be troll. no one would put this much effort into failing

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2011-09-09 08:39:02

#379

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5542|Toronto

Kampframmer wrote:
I am trying to get a very simple point across, but you just seem to be ignoring it.
Maybe you fling the work 'art' around too much. When i look/listen to something that tries to be art, i will do so critically. Not every exposition that you go to contains good art, or just art for that matter.
Just because people like something, doesn't make it good. it only makes it good according to them. Of course there is the issue of: Then who determines what is good or not? Nobody. There are a certain set of standards (and yes, these may vary to some degree for each and everyone of us) that they will have to live up to in order to be good, art or both.

If you say (hypothetically) that Skrillex (just to keep this thread from derailing too much) makes better music than Beethoven, then you are just plain wrong. Even if Skrillex would have more listeners that would agree with you on that, that doesnt change the fact that Beethoven makes better music than Skrillex.

I know that a lot of music i listen to is shit, but i personally still like listening to it. I also know that i personally have certain preferences when it comes to paintings, or any other art form for that matter and yet i still know that a painting that i personally don't like might be better than one that i personally do like.

And now i am tired of typing the word personally because apparently youre mixing up what i (or others) think is good and what is actually good

I don't think I'm missing your point at all. You are talking about the Good- the concrete good- not the abstraction of 'good'. Plato struggled with the idea of forms, too. The thing is, to most all scholars, the Good (not merely 'good') is non-existent. Existentialism and perspectivism now reign. You're stuck on the ancient idea of perfectibility.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2011-09-09 08:46:03

#380

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

I know that there is no such thing as perfection in art, or at least, not one that everyone would agree on. But i am simply trying to say that to deny that there not one piece of art is better than the other is very naive.

2011-09-09 08:51:28

#381

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5542|Toronto

Kampframmer wrote:
I know that there is no such thing as perfection in art, or at least, not one that everyone would agree on. But i am simply trying to say that to deny that there not one piece of art is better than the other is very naive.

In the first sentence you agree that there is no Good (concrete), and thus no notion of forms or hierarchy, yet in the second sentence you return to your original position and state that there are, in fact, better and worse pieces of art. The 'good' pieces being closer to the Good, and the 'bad' being farther from it.

Which is it?

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2011-09-09 08:59:00

#382

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

Pochsy wrote:
Kampframmer wrote:
I know that there is no such thing as perfection in art, or at least, not one that everyone would agree on. But i am simply trying to say that to deny that there not one piece of art is better than the other is very naive.
In the first sentence you agree that there is no Good (concrete), and thus no notion of forms or hierarchy, yet in the second sentence you return to your original position and state that there are, in fact, better and worse pieces of art. The 'good' pieces being closer to the Good, and the 'bad' being farther from it.

Which is it?

I said that there was no such thing as perfection (there never really is), but that there is such a thing as good or bad.
Now you are just looking for meaningless information in my posts (which, i assumed, where pretty easy to get) just to disagree with me.

I get your point as far as subjectivity goes and i agree with you on that. But there are just tons of examples in which a certain piece of art has shows itself to be better than another one within that form or category, especially in music.

I am done derailing this thread with this pointless argument.

OT:

Love the album.

2011-09-09 09:18:44

#383

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6191|Roma

Can't get enough

2011-09-11 02:56:58

#384

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6191|Roma

oh yeah, you music snobs are going to love this. Skrillex was on the Radio the other night doing some sort of interview, and he said his biggest influence was one of the Albums from Aphex twin.

2011-09-11 03:50:13

#385

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6463|cuntshitlake

PrivateVendetta wrote:
oh yeah, you music snobs are going to love this. Skrillex was on the Radio the other night doing some sort of interview, and he said his biggest influence was one of the Albums from Aphex twin.

seriously though, whose biggest influence has aphex twin not been?

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2011-09-15 14:03:51

#386

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,736|6736|Oxferd Ohire

"id love to shoot both of them in the head"

2011-09-16 23:40:54

#387

Stimey: +786|6119|Ontario | Canada

"beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

2011-09-17 04:36:44

#388

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

Great EP

Last edited by Kampframmer (2011-09-17 04:37:02)

2011-09-23 14:52:37

#389

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6325|England

I wish Uzique would come back just to see what he'd say

http://soundcloud.com/csanva

2011-09-23 15:00:11

#390

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

Probably post a track, say that its the next big thing (he would say: HUGE) and then blow up his ego some more by ripping on what other people posted on here.

2011-09-24 00:24:48

#391

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6463|cuntshitlake

probably more like "welcome to 2010 kampf, have a nice stay"

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2011-09-24 04:42:43

#392

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

I meant in general if he would make a post here again, but yeah in response my post that seems accurate.
Although a little too nice, add some spice to it.

2011-09-24 05:06:03

#393

Sturgeon: Member; +488|4940|Flintshire

Nice little dnb mix

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2011-09-24 07:53:08

#394

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6191|Roma

2011-09-24 18:09:28

#395

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|4842|Amsterdam

is it 2011 already?

2011-09-26 07:53:30

#396

Stimey: +786|6119|Ontario | Canada

Sturgeon wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5kD7NZ3alI&hd=1

Nice little dnb mix

yh that was pretty good

2011-09-26 09:55:43

#397

Sturgeon: Member; +488|4940|Flintshire

Take a look at Hospital Records, they have some decent artists signed to their label, London Elek, High Contrast, Netsky etc

Similar sort of stuff to that, liquid, jungle and stuff.

Last edited by Sturgeon (2011-09-26 09:56:21)

2011-10-04 02:32:05