Obama's American Jobs Act

2011-09-18 04:49:19

#51

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5598|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
By astronomically increasing the cost of everything, to include goods and services produced relatively nearby?
Already explained it, there would be no additional costs - except for dinosaur industries which are better off replaced.
Jay wrote:
He doesn't care about reality. Oil is evil and we must destroy ourselves in order to wean our population off of it. He's stated quite clearly in the past that he thinks the world is overpopulated. Forcing the world off oil would force population decline (via famine). He kills two birds with one stone.
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?

In the meantime do you really want to continue sending your dollars abroad, in the process crippling your own economy, and to fund third world fundamentalist Islam?

Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Jun-11 May-11 YTD 2011 Jun-10 YTD 2010
CANADA 2,524 2,481 2,657 2,552 2,717
MEXICO 1,222 1,286 1,232 1,251 1,211
SAUDI ARABIA 1,169 1,203 1,134 1,083 1,125
VENEZUELA 1,077 999 1,027 992 899
NIGERIA 853 854 921 1,023 1,108
RUSSIA 689 677 623 576 760
ALGERIA 293 400 438 497 550
IRAQ 559 407 435 508 630
COLOMBIA 309 433 369 349 407
ANGOLA 373 356 328 421 425
BRAZIL 285 282 235 306 308
VIRGIN ISLANDS 151 194 189 251 246
ECUADOR 219 134 176 201 245
UNITED KINGDOM 146 233 172 283 269
KUWAIT 238 200 158 206 217

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-09-18 04:53:13

#52

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5598|London, England

That's not the point anyway. Power generation is not the issue, power storage is.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-09-18 05:51:19

#53

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
By astronomically increasing the cost of everything, to include goods and services produced relatively nearby?
Already explained it, there would be no additional costs - except for dinosaur industries which are better off replaced.
Jay wrote:
He doesn't care about reality. Oil is evil and we must destroy ourselves in order to wean our population off of it. He's stated quite clearly in the past that he thinks the world is overpopulated. Forcing the world off oil would force population decline (via famine). He kills two birds with one stone.
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?

In the meantime do you really want to continue sending your dollars abroad, in the process crippling your own economy, and to fund third world fundamentalist Islam?
Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Jun-11 May-11 YTD 2011 Jun-10 YTD 2010
CANADA 2,524 2,481 2,657 2,552 2,717
MEXICO 1,222 1,286 1,232 1,251 1,211
SAUDI ARABIA 1,169 1,203 1,134 1,083 1,125
VENEZUELA 1,077 999 1,027 992 899
NIGERIA 853 854 921 1,023 1,108
RUSSIA 689 677 623 576 760
ALGERIA 293 400 438 497 550
IRAQ 559 407 435 508 630
COLOMBIA 309 433 369 349 407
ANGOLA 373 356 328 421 425
BRAZIL 285 282 235 306 308
VIRGIN ISLANDS 151 194 189 251 246
ECUADOR 219 134 176 201 245
UNITED KINGDOM 146 233 172 283 269
KUWAIT 238 200 158 206 217

Your point is what?

Fuck Israel

2011-09-18 11:57:43

#54

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|6954|US

Dilbert_X wrote:
RAIMIUS wrote:
That assumes the government can A. track the economy with high precision, B. evaluate the factors influencing decisions accurately, C. determine the appropriate "equal" in tax breaks/returns, D. properly budget for such subsidies, E. efficiently distribute those subsidies, and F. continually do all of the above in a constantly changing marketplace...
Whats the alternative, let the free-market come up with a plan?

Most CEOs don't think further than the next quarter's stock options, do you think they'll have a plan for when oil is gone and the economy is sunk?

Pretty much! They have to adapt relatively well, or they go out of business. When oil becomes more expensive, companies will switch to cheaper solutions or alter their services.

2011-09-18 12:18:33

#55

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6831

Jay wrote:
Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
...

Country	Jun-11	May-11	YTD 2011	Jun-10	YTD 2010
CANADA	2,524	2,481	2,657	2,552	2,717
MEXICO	1,222	1,286	1,232	1,251	1,211
SAUDI ARABIA	1,169	1,203	1,134	1,083	1,125
VENEZUELA	1,077	999	1,027	992	999
NIGERIA	853	854	921	1,023	1,108
RUSSIA	689	677	623	576	760
ALGERIA	293	400	438	497	550
IRAQ	559	407	435	508	630
COLOMBIA	309	433	369	349	407
ANGOLA	373	356	328	421	425
BRAZIL	285	282	235	306	308
VIRGIN ISLANDS	151	194	189	251	246
ECUADOR	219	134	176	201	245
UNITED KINGDOM	146	233	172	283	269
KUWAIT	238	200	158	206	217

Just screwing around with BBCode, reformatting the table into something readable

2011-09-18 12:28:03

#56

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6740|so randum

tik ur jirbs

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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2011-09-18 14:02:07

#57

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6239|...

The market will sort itself dilbert. Oil isn't going to run out from one day to the next, if prices start rising evermore the market will look for alternatives by itself.

inane little opines

2011-09-18 15:01:08

#58

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6831

Geothermal (Yellowstone Caldera, anyone?),
Coal to Fuel Oil,
Wind,
Tidal,
Nuclear,
Hydroelectric.

Plenty of underutilized energy sources.
Business and government just haven't been compelled to develop the relevant research & infrastructure.

2011-09-18 21:03:07

#59

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
By astronomically increasing the cost of everything, to include goods and services produced relatively nearby?
Already explained it, there would be no additional costs - except for dinosaur industries which are better off replaced.

what exactly did you explain, then? Because there most certainly would be additional costs--those associated with transport.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jay wrote:
He doesn't care about reality. Oil is evil and we must destroy ourselves in order to wean our population off of it. He's stated quite clearly in the past that he thinks the world is overpopulated. Forcing the world off oil would force population decline (via famine). He kills two birds with one stone.
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?

Except that it's not.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-09-18 21:09:37

#60

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6956

rdx-fx wrote:
Geothermal (Yellowstone Caldera, anyone?),
Coal to Fuel Oil,
Wind,
Tidal,
Nuclear,
Hydroelectric.

Plenty of underutilized energy sources.
Business and government just haven't been compelled to develop the relevant research & infrastructure.

oil is still the most practical and cheapest resource there is for cars, planes and boats (unless you build a nuclear carrier lol).

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2011-09-18 21:28:30

#61

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6956

our immigration policy.

2011-09-19 01:42:16

#62

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6914|Canberra, AUS

rdx-fx wrote:
Geothermal (Yellowstone Caldera, anyone?),
Coal to Fuel Oil,
Wind,
Tidal,
Nuclear,
Hydroelectric.

Plenty of underutilized energy sources.
Business and government just haven't been compelled to develop the relevant research & infrastructure.

[devilsadvocate] Don't think you'll be powering too many cities on wind tbf. Hydro is geographically locked, same with geothermal (though less so). Can't say I know too much about coal to fuel oil.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-09-19 02:30:44

#63

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6956

Go nuclear. except everyone is so scared of it.

2011-09-19 04:35:03

#64

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

Shocking wrote:
The market will sort itself dilbert. Oil isn't going to run out from one day to the next, if prices start rising evermore the market will look for alternatives by itself.

The market is too short-termist to be dealing with this problem.

Is 'the market' going to be investing in hydroelectric dams for example? When they take decades to plan and build and similar timescales to repay the investment?

Fusion power? "Investors - queue here! You may see a return in 20 years, if you're lucky! Cheques in this box please"

In the meantime oil driven balance of trade problems are going to screw developed economies.

Fuck Israel

2011-09-19 04:35:56

#65

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?
Except that it's not.

Jay's lifetime, not yours.

Fuck Israel

2011-09-19 05:21:45

#66

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5598|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?
Except that it's not.
Jay's lifetime, not yours.

Except that it's not.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-09-19 05:22:08

#67

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6956

Jay wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:

Except that it's not.
Jay's lifetime, not yours.
Except that it's not.

Oil sands nigga.

2011-09-19 05:24:29

#68

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5598|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Shocking wrote:
The market will sort itself dilbert. Oil isn't going to run out from one day to the next, if prices start rising evermore the market will look for alternatives by itself.
The market is too short-termist to be dealing with this problem.

Is 'the market' going to be investing in hydroelectric dams for example? When they take decades to plan and build and similar timescales to repay the investment?

Fusion power? "Investors - queue here! You may see a return in 20 years, if you're lucky! Cheques in this box please"

In the meantime oil driven balance of trade problems are going to screw developed economies.

It will see investment when its profitable to do so. Oil prices aren't going to double overnight. They'll rise, we'll panic, and we'll spend money. Most of our rivers are dammed and provide power already. Why? Cheap energy.

Last edited by Jay (2011-09-19 05:25:22)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-09-19 06:25:47

#69

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

Oil prices will rise faster than alternatives can be put in place.
You read it here first.

Fuck Israel

2011-09-19 09:24:10

#70

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?
Except that it's not.
Jay's lifetime, not yours.

Essentially the same thing.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-09-19 17:14:34

#71

allcovered: Member; +2|4850

So have we moved past taking this as a serious issue?

2011-09-19 17:42:44

#72

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6737

allcovered wrote:
So have we moved past taking this as a serious issue?

welcome to the forums.

2011-09-19 18:02:01

#73

13rin: Member; +977|6719

Well the bamster has agreed it is serious enough to wait until after his next vacation to submit/pass.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2011-09-19 18:23:34

#74

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

allcovered wrote:
So have we moved past taking this as a serious issue?

If Obama had taken it seriously, he would've come up with something other than the same things that already haven't made it past Congress.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-09-20 03:08:44

#75

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

Maybe he's just trolling? I mean, he knows the GOP aren't going to seriously contend the next election.

He killed Bin Laden, his legacy is set.

Fuck Israel

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