BF2S Forums Walgreens employee fired for defending his store

HITNRUNXX wrote:

13rin wrote:

Honestly, I avoid places where I'm not permitted to carry.  I'd rather give my business to someone else.

EXACTLY! That is my point! That is also your right! Forcing those places to abide by you is not your right. Thank you!

But if I end up there, I still carry.  No, my view point is more juvenile.  I hope that business fails. They don't respect my constitutional rights.

Last edited by 13rin (2011-09-14 11:51:45)

Jay wrote:

Why are you so paranoid?

I'm not.

13rin wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

13rin wrote:

If there is an open carry....  In my opinion, if a business is open to the public or takes subsidies from the state, then one should be able to lawfully carry.

Banks, Schools, Police Departments, Federal Buildings. Have fun.

In Florida you can carry a gun in the Capitol... Have fun.

*edit..

And you can carry in a bank.

"If there is open carry"
"In Florida"

but you said Constitution...

If you don't believe going into a private business could change your rights, how do you possibly believe that crossing a state line changes them?

HITNRUNXX wrote:

13rin wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

Banks, Schools, Police Departments, Federal Buildings. Have fun.

In Florida you can carry a gun in the Capitol... Have fun.

*edit..

And you can carry in a bank.

"If there is open carry"
"In Florida"

but you said Constitution...

If you don't believe going into a private business could change your rights, how do you possibly believe that crossing a state line changes them?

I don't.  I also avoid going to jail needlessly.

Richard Nixon wrote:

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

Jay wrote:

Because you must be living in a state of constant fear if you'd take the trouble to strap a gun to your hip every day. I carried a weapon in Iraq every day because there was a real fear of being attacked. That was institutional paranoia on the part of the military, and justified. I've never felt the same sense of fear walking down the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the country for that matter. What are you afraid of?

Mannn.. We've gone down this road before.  I'm an Eagle Scout.  I live by the motto 'be prepaired'.  I'd rather have an not need than need and not have.  I also carry a pocket knife, phone and wallet.  The firearm I settled on for my daily carry is smaller than the average male's wallet.  It is honestly virtually unnoticeable.  I almost forget it is in my pocket.

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

amazing how many people here would get on their knees and beg Mr. Robber to not hurt them

It has more to do with not being willing to die for someone elses money.

In his situation, I could care less about the money.  Better alive and fired, than dead and permanently "unemployed".

" Its not about the money ............ its about sending a message "


and the message is ..... don't fuck with my business

Criminals aren't complicated, Alfred. Just have to figure out what he's after.

13rin wrote:

You aren't allowed to beat me to death in your home.

I am not allowed to beat you to death in a business either...

13rin wrote:

Besides one can't guarantee my personal safety in their establishment.

I can't guarantee your safety in my home either. Someone could kick in the door and murder us both in my living room.

13rin wrote:

As much as I am for States... State laws don't trump the Constitution.  The Civil War kinda proved that.

Yet they all interpret this information differently. Own guns at home vs carry concealed vs open carry... You can't carry in a bank here. You can in Florida. Different interpretations. I can carry concealed in my state, but not at work, it is against their policies. I can carry in my house, but not in my friend's house. He doesn't want guns around his kids. I can respect these state's decisions and obey them, or I can disrespect them and break their rules/laws. Same for my work. Same for my bank. Same for my friend's house.

End result, no matter if the outcome is beneficial:

I would still expect to go to jail after carrying a gun in a bank, and pulling it to defend against a bank robber.

I would fully expect to be fired after pulling my gun at work and shooting the co-worked that showed up with a rifle and started picking people off.

I would fully expect to be arrested for carrying a gun into the White House, even if I argued my rights don't change just because I am going into the President's house. Even if I argued with the Secret Service that they can't stop me from believing in God while in the oval office, and that they can't pick and choose which rights to enforce.

Walgreen's guy should have expected to be fired. Walgreen's guy should have been fired. Walgreen's guy should be happy no one got hurt, and have a warm fuzzy spot in his heart, and move on.

HITNRUNXX wrote:

13rin wrote:

You aren't allowed to beat me to death in your home.

I am not allowed to beat you to death in a business either...

13rin wrote:

Besides one can't guarantee my personal safety in their establishment.

[quote+HITNRUNXX]I can't guarantee your safety in my home either. Someone could kick in the door and murder us both in my living room.

See, regardless of where you are, my the person cannot guarantee my protection, However the Constitution has provided me with a measure to help me protect myself.

HITNRUNNXX wrote:

Yet they all interpret this information differently. Own guns at home vs carry concealed vs open carry... You can't carry in a bank here. You can in Florida. Different interpretations. I can carry concealed in my state, but not at work, it is against their policies. I can carry in my house, but not in my friend's house. He doesn't want guns around his kids. I can respect these state's decisions and obey them, or I can disrespect them and break their rules/laws. Same for my work. Same for my bank. Same for my friend's house.

A problem no doubt.  States need to be more on the same page when it makes laws directly concerning a constitutional right.

HITNRUNNXX wrote:

End result, no matter if the outcome is beneficial:

I would still expect to go to jail after carrying a gun in a bank, and pulling it to defend against a bank robber.

Not in Florida.

HITNRUNNXX wrote:

I would fully expect to be fired after pulling my gun at work and shooting the co-worked that showed up with a rifle and started picking people off.

Again, not in Florida.  There is actually specific laws that prohibit prosecution.

HITNRUNNXX wrote:

I would fully expect to be arrested for carrying a gun into the White House, even if I argued my rights don't change just because I am going into the President's house. Even if I argued with the Secret Service that they can't stop me from believing in God while in the oval office, and that they can't pick and choose which rights to enforce.

I'm not delusional, and I know this too... Same reason I won't take my gun into an airport.  Just because I interpret the Constitution one way doesn't make me the law.  I was using that argument to show how over the years people are picking and choosing what (and how) to enforce.

HITNRUNNXX wrote:

Walgreen's guy should have expected to be fired. Walgreen's guy should have been fired. Walgreen's guy should be happy no one got hurt, and have a warm fuzzy spot in his heart, and move on.

I agree.

Macbeth wrote:

I carry hand sanitizer.

Lip gloss too?

SEREMAKER wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I carry hand sanitizer.

Lip gloss too?

goes with his blush

and compact