U.S. voters only please

2006-05-18 19:19:09

#1

yerded: Bertinator; +255|6876|Westminster, California

There is something wrong with us all when we stake ideological claims and divide into camps left and right. What's wrong is that we are being suckered by a two party system that promotes what is essentially a one party rule. As long as Republicans convince conservatives that the left is evil and dangerous we will vote for them. As long as the left sells the point that the right is a corporate machine dominated by religious fanatics they will sometimes succeed in winning elections.
The trouble is when either party is in power they generally do the opposite of what they claimed, and in review, seem to be working together for some as yet unknown purpose that doesn't seem to be particularly good for America.
What can we do ( besides get rid of Bush, I've heard that already )?

2006-05-18 19:20:24

#2

Naughty_Om: Im Ron Burgundy?; +355|6872|USA

make it so $$$$$ is not a serious part of running.

2006-05-18 19:21:29

#3

duk0r: Administrator; +306|6907|Austin, TX

Do some research on the Carlyle Group and N.W.O. Things will start to make sense.

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2006-05-18 19:22:00

#4

Mike_J: Member; +68|6909

President Bush would get my vote for emperor. lol

2006-05-18 19:30:20

#5

splixx: ChupaCABRA; +53|6978|Omaha, Nebraska

duk0r wrote:
Do some research on the Carlyle Group and N.W.O. Things will start to make sense.

You're getting warmer....

2006-05-19 01:47:32

#6

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7011|PNW

yerded wrote:
There is something wrong with us all when we stake ideological claims and divide into camps left and right. What's wrong is that we are being suckered by a two party system that promotes what is essentially a one party rule. As long as Republicans convince conservatives that the left is evil and dangerous we will vote for them. As long as the left sells the point that the right is a corporate machine dominated by religious fanatics they will sometimes succeed in winning elections.
The trouble is when either party is in power they generally do the opposite of what they claimed, and in review, seem to be working together for some as yet unknown purpose that doesn't seem to be particularly good for America.
What can we do ( besides get rid of Bush, I've heard that already )?

http://www.democrats.org/

Sure sounds like Democrats are trying to convince liberals that the right is evil and dangerous. This argument is null, and will just lead to another endless circle.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-19 01:48:39)

2006-05-19 07:38:10

#7

atlvolunteer: PKMMMMMMMMMM; +27|7011|Atlanta, GA USA

There is only one way to fix our system. Create a viable third party. Unfortunately, that is very difficult to do in this country. A lot of people don't vote for a third party candidate because they think that it will just be a wasted vote, and it would be right now. But, IMO, if more people vote for third parties they will eventually gain enough momentum to become viable. That's why I say Libertarian FTW!

2006-05-19 08:25:09

#8

Marconius: One-eyed Wonder Mod; +368|6933|San Francisco

You could possibly do away with the entire electoral college and utilize today's technology to register the individual votes of all of those who vote here. Then it comes down to how the people themselves want to vote, and not how many votes it takes to influence an electoral college vote. More regional parties would start to surface, and there should be an effort to drop the cost of campaigns (or maybe put a cap on campaign spending) in order for parties to efficiently get their message out to the nation.

2006-05-19 08:33:09

#9

King_County_Downy: shitfaced; +2,791|6837|Seattle

Green Party FTW!!

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it

2006-05-19 08:46:41

#10

Erkut.hv: Member; +124|6974|California

www.lp.org

FTW!

Last edited by Erkut.hv (2006-05-19 08:46:53)

2006-05-19 16:10:37

#11

yerded: Bertinator; +255|6876|Westminster, California

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
http://www.democrats.org/

Sure sounds like Democrats are trying to convince liberals that the right is evil and dangerous. This argument is null, and will just lead to another endless circle.

Sure sounds like your eager to stay on the divided camps bandwagon.
Your party constantly harps on my former party ( the Republicans ) for planning an illegal, immoral war for oil. The baffoon DNC chairmen Dean suggested whilst running for president that Bush knew about 9-11 before it happened.
So your party has consistently painted the right as evil, depraved lunatics and your noble effort to point to an article that uses facts to talk smack on righties does absolutely nothing but point out how gullible and naive you are for looking to that website for any sort of salvation. Look elsewhere young man, not at the presently presented politicians.
But because of your thwarted effort to make a good point....+ for you.

2006-05-19 16:31:36

#12

Horseman 77: Banned; +160|7076

There are already Rumblings of JEB so start panicking now.

I for one am working on a Good "Gloating theme " T Shirt

Then we will push Jenna in after while every one is still bleary eyed with tears !

2006-05-21 02:24:24

#13

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7011|PNW

yerded wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
http://www.democrats.org/

Sure sounds like Democrats are trying to convince liberals that the right is evil and dangerous. This argument is null, and will just lead to another endless circle.
Sure sounds like your eager to stay on the divided camps bandwagon.
Your party constantly harps on my former party ( the Republicans ) for planning an illegal, immoral war for oil. The baffoon DNC chairmen Dean suggested whilst running for president that Bush knew about 9-11 before it happened.
So your party has consistently painted the right as evil, depraved lunatics and your noble effort to point to an article that uses facts to talk smack on righties does absolutely nothing but point out how gullible and naive you are for looking to that website for any sort of salvation. Look elsewhere young man, not at the presently presented politicians.
But because of your thwarted effort to make a good point....+ for you.

Um, I'm not a Democrat. Perhaps English was not your first language, but you've read a bit beyond what I posted. I keep track of information coming out of the mouths of Democrats and Republicans and both, unsuprisingly, seek to villanize one another.

I will accept the "young man" comment, as I am only in my mid twenties. Gandalf, for example, lived hundreds of times longer than anyone alive today and was still called "young Master Gandalf" by Treebeard, but no...he didn't complain, and neither shall I.

However, I don't think that your response in any way "thwarts" my point.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-21 03:07:42)

2006-05-21 02:56:49

#14

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6883

ralph nader is my grandfathers cousin

true story

2006-05-21 06:16:34

#15

Horseman 77: Banned; +160|7076

Marconius wrote:
You could possibly do away with the entire electoral college and utilize today's technology to register the individual votes of all of those who vote here. Then it comes down to how the people themselves want to vote, and not how many votes it takes to influence an electoral college vote. More regional parties would start to surface, and there should be an effort to drop the cost of campaigns (or maybe put a cap on campaign spending) in order for parties to efficiently get their message out to the nation.

The electoral college was not started to simplify vote counting. I don't see how doing away with it would make "more regional parties surface" ?
The spending cap is an Idea, but we would need balance and an unbiased media to.

The electoral college was instituted as a way to balance power between the cities and rural (agricultural) areas.
For example with the majority of votes coming from an urban areas, legislation important to farming would never pass.

Simpler still, by false promisees of free everything you could (almost) swing an election just by carrying a few slums.

Would you rather have New Rap CDs or Food to feed the world?

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-05-21 06:23:35)

2006-05-21 06:22:24

#16

Horseman 77: Banned; +160|7076

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
ralph nader is my grandfathers cousin

true story

My Father was in an Army Hospital with Walter Mondale.

I dated Mariel Hemmingway. sp

I am the Cavalryman in the NYC Metropolitian Operas production of " Carmen "

I rode the horse in Some Nicklodean Music Video about Xmas in Central Park

I took Martina Hengeis* on a Ride through Central Park

* sp The tennis player,

Jane Fonda too but she Freaked and left.

hows that ?

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-05-21 06:24:34)

2006-05-21 08:47:21

#17

The_Mob_Returns: Member; +72|6961|Indianapolis, IN

An unbiased media will never happen. Really no one can be unbiased because you will always favor one idea over another. But you might not agree with that party. I agree with some things the republicans do, but will I vote republican, not sure. If people spent more time investigating who they are voting for and what those people they are voting for stand for, we might have a leader that is better supported by the country. One where the majority of the people support his core values and ideological ideas.

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yerded wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

yerded wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

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