Ok lowing you did contradict yourself but hey i'll even let that one slide, at least you kind of clarified your position. But for the love of god can you please stop acting as if everyone else in the world that has different ideas to you is somehow grouped together is some great anti-lowing conspiracy. I never said life is fair. I never said parents shouldn't help their children. I don't have "wealth envy". I never approved of what these looters did and I am not part of some grand wealth distribution communist conspiracy.lowing wrote:
Nope, some people simply require more of it if they want to make it. As I said life isn't fair. Tough shit. There is no contraction. There are 100's of avenues one can take to achieve their goals. Some are harder roads to travel than others. That is life. Just because you have a tougher road than someone else is no reason to burn down their business, or loot their stores. All that was accomplished was on top of being fuckin losers, they are also criminals. Congrats.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
I'm not saying parents shouldn't help their kids out. I never said that.lowing wrote:
Didn't say that. I said life isn't always fair. Some might have to work harder than others to attain their goals. Tough shit.
I am also saying it is none of your business what mommy and daddy do with their money. It is after all, THEIR money and not yours.
Heavens for fuckin bid if loving parents want to help their kids out. Stop being such a hater with your wealth envy.
I was simply pointing out the contradiction between you saying that people should require ambition, motivation and determination to go to university, and then you said that parents paying for their kids university is fine.
Do you honestly think that someone who has their parents pay for university has any more ambition, motivation and determination than someone who takes a loan from the government to do university?
Education (to a certain level) is a right. The point where people disagree is where that level is. Secondary school (high school) is that level for us in the States. Once you graduate from high school, your "free and appropriate public education" right is done.AussieReaper wrote:
Working for an achievement?lowing wrote:
ya don't see the difference between working for an achievement and have one handed to you? Why is it the govts. job, and not yours to educate your sorry ass? Especially when apparently the govt. can longer afford to do so.AussieReaper wrote:
I don't see how government funded education removes any of the above.
The affordability to go to university shouldn't come down to an achievement like it is a privilege. Education should be a right to those who are smart enough to get there.
Attendance at university and graduate schools are a privilege, not a right (not meaning only the privileged can/should attend, only meaning it is not a fundamental right to attend). Thus, if someone has the means--via private income, scholarships, or other--to pay for it, they attend. Otherwise, they enter the work force. It is not a universal right to go to college after your FAPE is complete.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Bloody English Savages. We nearly had to send 5 of our 6 water cannons over to sort them out.......
People have been Rioting over here for 100s of years. But we always rioted for the traditional things like hate of other religions and the state. Although the last wave of Rioting in Northern Ireland was organised. Public money had been cut for "community" projects. Which is basically a way of legally paying "ex" terrorists to be community leaders, give them a wage and stop them dealing drugs, racketeering and basically shooting people.
When that money was cut these "community leaders" where filmed out on the streets directing 12-18 year olds who burnt the place to shit. Then the blame was put on the state because these kids now have nothing to do because funding was cut.
The English Riots where shopping. Plain and simple. But, is it not the politicians who should be setting an example of how to conduct yourself? They are the ones who continually preach about morals and what not. They are people who should be setting an example to the youth. They should practice what they preach. The MPs expenses scandal did not set a good example to the youth. Our ex home secretary stole
People have been Rioting over here for 100s of years. But we always rioted for the traditional things like hate of other religions and the state. Although the last wave of Rioting in Northern Ireland was organised. Public money had been cut for "community" projects. Which is basically a way of legally paying "ex" terrorists to be community leaders, give them a wage and stop them dealing drugs, racketeering and basically shooting people.
When that money was cut these "community leaders" where filmed out on the streets directing 12-18 year olds who burnt the place to shit. Then the blame was put on the state because these kids now have nothing to do because funding was cut.
The English Riots where shopping. Plain and simple. But, is it not the politicians who should be setting an example of how to conduct yourself? They are the ones who continually preach about morals and what not. They are people who should be setting an example to the youth. They should practice what they preach. The MPs expenses scandal did not set a good example to the youth. Our ex home secretary stole
Umm I think you will find that you were spouting off about how the government pays for uni etc what do they have to riot about.lowing wrote:
you mean your govt. is not handing out free college!!?? Well shit, no wonder they rioted, who is gunna take care of them if not the govt.?
I highlighted your bullshite because it was wrong.
Deal with it
Actually I didn't. Unless you can point how where saying "life ain't fair, tough shit" is a contradiction.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Ok lowing you did contradict yourself but hey i'll even let that one slide, at least you kind of clarified your position. But for the love of god can you please stop acting as if everyone else in the world that has different ideas to you is somehow grouped together is some great anti-lowing conspiracy. I never said life is fair. I never said parents shouldn't help their children. I don't have "wealth envy". I never approved of what these looters did and I am not part of some grand wealth distribution communist conspiracy.lowing wrote:
Nope, some people simply require more of it if they want to make it. As I said life isn't fair. Tough shit. There is no contraction. There are 100's of avenues one can take to achieve their goals. Some are harder roads to travel than others. That is life. Just because you have a tougher road than someone else is no reason to burn down their business, or loot their stores. All that was accomplished was on top of being fuckin losers, they are also criminals. Congrats.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
I'm not saying parents shouldn't help their kids out. I never said that.
I was simply pointing out the contradiction between you saying that people should require ambition, motivation and determination to go to university, and then you said that parents paying for their kids university is fine.
Do you honestly think that someone who has their parents pay for university has any more ambition, motivation and determination than someone who takes a loan from the government to do university?
I have said nothing about "anti lowing" anything. THis thread is about a group of assholes that because the govt. isn't coddling them like they think they should, decide to rampage the streets and destroy the hard work and efforts of those that have accomplished something.
and I already told you, it is your fellow socialists that made the claims that the govt. covered college costs as a form of investment into the citizen. If they are lying you take it up with them, not me.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Umm I think you will find that you were spouting off about how the government pays for uni etc what do they have to riot about.lowing wrote:
you mean your govt. is not handing out free college!!?? Well shit, no wonder they rioted, who is gunna take care of them if not the govt.?
I highlighted your bullshite because it was wrong.
Deal with it
So its not you making the claims below?lowing wrote:
and I already told you, it is your fellow socialists that made the claims that the govt. covered college costs as a form of investment into the citizen. If they are lying you take it up with them, not me.
[h wrote:
lowing[/h]]Has your unemployment rate been high for 4 generations? Kinda runnin out of excuses for not getting a "FREE" college degree in 4 life times, dontcha think?
.... :slowing wrote:
4 GENERATIONS IS A CHANCE AUSSIE!!!... or how many more life times do you think is needed to accomplish a "FREE" education? You seem to keep avoiding the fact that you get university level education handed to you.
Maybe you are missing the reason why I chose the title for this thread. Life isn't supposed to be what others do for you. It is supposed to be what YOU do in your life.
You did notice the quotes right? Hence I was quoting others who made those claims. As I said, take it up with your fellow socialists.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
So its not you making the claims below?lowing wrote:
and I already told you, it is your fellow socialists that made the claims that the govt. covered college costs as a form of investment into the citizen. If they are lying you take it up with them, not me.[h wrote:
lowing[/h]]Has your unemployment rate been high for 4 generations? Kinda runnin out of excuses for not getting a "FREE" college degree in 4 life times, dontcha think?.... :slowing wrote:
4 GENERATIONS IS A CHANCE AUSSIE!!!... or how many more life times do you think is needed to accomplish a "FREE" education? You seem to keep avoiding the fact that you get university level education handed to you.
Maybe you are missing the reason why I chose the title for this thread. Life isn't supposed to be what others do for you. It is supposed to be what YOU do in your life.
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You are the only person who mentioned it.
I'm not a socialist I'm afraid..
I'm not a socialist I'm afraid..
Hate to break it to ya pal, but if you want your govt. to hand hold you through life, and understand why anyone would riot because their nanny state isn't being nanny enough. IE " NOBODY IS DOING NOTHING FOR US" . Then you are a socialist.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
You are the only person who mentioned it.
I'm not a socialist I'm afraid..
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Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!lowing wrote:
Hate to break it to ya pal, but if you want your govt. to hand hold you through life, and understand why anyone would riot because their nanny state isn't being nanny enough. IE " NOBODY IS DOING NOTHING FOR US" . Then you are a socialist.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
You are the only person who mentioned it.
I'm not a socialist I'm afraid..
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.AussieReaper wrote:
Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!lowing wrote:
Hate to break it to ya pal, but if you want your govt. to hand hold you through life, and understand why anyone would riot because their nanny state isn't being nanny enough. IE " NOBODY IS DOING NOTHING FOR US" . Then you are a socialist.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
You are the only person who mentioned it.
I'm not a socialist I'm afraid..
So why do people riot in America lowing?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.AussieReaper wrote:
Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!lowing wrote:
Hate to break it to ya pal, but if you want your govt. to hand hold you through life, and understand why anyone would riot because their nanny state isn't being nanny enough. IE " NOBODY IS DOING NOTHING FOR US" . Then you are a socialist.
Fuck Israel
If the socialists are the big government nanny states, why do they want to increase freedom for gay couples and give women more rights with their abortions?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.AussieReaper wrote:
Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!lowing wrote:
Hate to break it to ya pal, but if you want your govt. to hand hold you through life, and understand why anyone would riot because their nanny state isn't being nanny enough. IE " NOBODY IS DOING NOTHING FOR US" . Then you are a socialist.
Surely the big government nanny state is the one that tries to prevent abortions and gay marriage for the good of the morally outraged among us!
Same reasons. Ya see, we have people here that want everything for nothing as well. We call them liberals.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do people riot in America lowing?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.AussieReaper wrote:
Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!
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I don't give 2 flyin fucks about that stuff, allowing same sex marriage and to an extent abortions is something that is none of the govts. business. What 2 people decide to do with their own lives does not matter to me at all. Now, if you want to talk about why socialists think they are entitled to the rewards from the efforts of others. Lets.AussieReaper wrote:
If the socialists are the big government nanny states, why do they want to increase freedom for gay couples and give women more rights with their abortions?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.AussieReaper wrote:
Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!
Surely the big government nanny state is the one that tries to prevent abortions and gay marriage for the good of the morally outraged among us!
But I thought the free market was so awesome everyone had a 30,000 sq ft condo and a Cadillac for every day of the week?lowing wrote:
Same reasons. Ya see, we have people here that want everything for nothing as well. We call them liberals.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do people riot in America lowing?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.
Why would they want to riot?
OK then.Now, if you want to talk about why socialists think they are entitled to the rewards from the efforts of others. Lets.
Why are there taxes under Republican governments?
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Fuck Israel
their city just won a sporting championship of some kind.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do people riot in America lowing?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.AussieReaper wrote:
Why don't socialists ever want to ban gay marriage and prevent abortions? I need to be hand held with other people doing those things!
you really should stop drinking the kool-aid and open the dictionary. you know, that book without the pictures.lowing wrote:
Same reasons. Ya see, we have people here that want everything for nothing as well. We call them liberals.
sure dilbert, still, you have to work for your rewards.Dilbert_X wrote:
But I thought the free market was so awesome everyone had a 30,000 sq ft condo and a Cadillac for every day of the week?lowing wrote:
Same reasons. Ya see, we have people here that want everything for nothing as well. We call them liberals.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do people riot in America lowing?
Why would they want to riot?OK then.Now, if you want to talk about why socialists think they are entitled to the rewards from the efforts of others. Lets.
Why are there taxes under Republican governments?
because there is still a govt. infrastructure that needs funded. Republicans have long lost their way dilbert, they are no heroes of mine, they are merely the lesser of 2 evils.
don't start with me today burnzz, you won't like where it goes and you will only wind up crying to a mod......again.13urnzz wrote:
their city just won a sporting championship of some kind.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do people riot in America lowing?lowing wrote:
Nope, read it twice and that post still doesn't make any sense.you really should stop drinking the kool-aid and open the dictionary. you know, that book without the pictures.lowing wrote:
Same reasons. Ya see, we have people here that want everything for nothing as well. We call them liberals.
Ayn Rand took both Medicare and Social Security (which i've paid into, all my working life) and her writing sucked balls.
someone needs to stop speaking for his country unless he's willing to get elected president, and provide his birth certificate.
someone needs to stop speaking for his country unless he's willing to get elected president, and provide his birth certificate.
fuck off, don't tell me what to do or what to do. thank you.lowing wrote:
don't start with me today burnzz, you won't like where it goes and you will only wind up crying to a mod......again.
"don't tell me what to do or what to do"?13urnzz wrote:
fuck off, don't tell me what to do or what to do. thank you.lowing wrote:
don't start with me today burnzz, you won't like where it goes and you will only wind up crying to a mod......again.
well, ok I won't and I won't. you're welcome.
So why not dismantle it, fire all govt employees and create a zero tax utopia?lowing wrote:
because there is still a govt. infrastructure that needs funded.
Fuck Israel
who said anything about zero taxes? We are talking about people who want everything off the backs of those who work for it. What is it you are talking about?Dilbert_X wrote:
So why not dismantle it, fire all govt employees and create a zero tax utopia?lowing wrote:
because there is still a govt. infrastructure that needs funded.
but since you mention it.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/sil … 40896.html