Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6938

"good players" still played medic on vehicle maps because it was still the best point farmer, and they could still use the dominant vehicles.  AT against vehicles only got points for kills, not damaging vehicles.  How many times have you attempted to revive someone, and then someone swoops in and steals your revive point.

"Good players" picked the dominant kits and vehicles.  Aircrafts were so dominant that players even team-killed for them.  How often did you teamkill for a tank or apc on an air map?


But like I said previously, BC2 had counters.  But againt good players, they weren't that effective. 

Looking at BF3, lack of tags, and with dumb fire RPG's, vehicles will dominate the battle moreso than BC2.


re: Aero.  BF2 before nerf.
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

i'm pretty sure that lucien playing medic had a lot more to do with being able to stay alive alone than getting free points for revives lol.
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
[-DER-]Omega
membeR
+188|7098|Lithuania
lone wolfing ftw
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Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6938

DUnlimited wrote:

i'm pretty sure that lucien playing medic had a lot more to do with being able to stay alive alone than getting free points for revives lol.
So, yay for health and vehicle regen on BF3 then?  In other words, no need for being medic or engineer when flying.
hexify
Member
+5|5621|Canada
Not sure if alpha is closed now, but got the G3 yesterday and its a beast. The biggest problem BF3 has - out of anything - are the classes (particularly engineer). This was a problem in BC2 that they are bringing back (not that BC2 was already a huge mistake porting to PC in the first place), in that now the Engineer is properly armed he is now the be all end all "do everything" class. I just had a team yesterday, and it was about 80% engineer; the kicker? 1 measly LAV in Metro, and we weren't even defending. They need to limit Engineer class to shotguns & short range SMGs (like TMP, MP7, etc. not UMP, MP5...) especially if they're giving them RPG's AND repair tool - which I think is fine no sense having specific AT class anymore. But giving the Engineers full on M4 Carbines and AK74's is laughable.
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Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6271|Vortex Ring State

DUnlimited wrote:

jord wrote:

DUnlimited wrote:


bf2 with better balance, netcode, maps, new content, new playerbase

couldn't care less about graphics
This minus better balance. I've said it before, jets shouldn't be "balanced" down to getting killed by every spacker than can select an AA kit and aim in the general direction of it for more than 2 seconds. Balance really wasn't that bad, perhaps sometimes on teams but that's a servers problem. Not that you couldn't just switch team or leave.
I'm not talking about vehicle balance, more like kit and faction balance.

I am a firm believer of the ideology that a good player should never lose to a bad player, unless they make a mistake or the bad player gets better. I also think that fire-and-forget (lock-on AA, infantry-carried stingers, claymores, anti-infantry rocket launchers, huge splash grenade launchers, powerful grenades etc.) is a terrible mechanic for fps games.

There were some terrible mishaps in the bf2 jets, like the boxes around vehicles in bomb screen (make it easier for the bad players, yay!) and the inconsistent hitboxes that made TV'ing them hard, but the infantry-held AA everyone here is begging for, is just about the worst mechanic one could add to any game.

I wouldn't have anything against powerful AA if it was player-controlled, not lock-on.
problem with manually guided missiles is that they force you to stay still while firing, allowing you to get raped by infy

if they made them uberfast dumbfire like in DCON... people would have no warning before being killed
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6938

hexify wrote:

Not sure if alpha is closed now, but got the G3 yesterday and its a beast. The biggest problem BF3 has - out of anything - are the classes (particularly engineer). This was a problem in BC2 that they are bringing back (not that BC2 was already a huge mistake porting to PC in the first place), in that now the Engineer is properly armed he is now the be all end all "do everything" class. I just had a team yesterday, and it was about 80% engineer; the kicker? 1 measly LAV in Metro, and we weren't even defending. They need to limit Engineer class to shotguns & short range SMGs (like TMP, MP7, etc. not UMP, MP5...) especially if they're giving them RPG's AND repair tool - which I think is fine no sense having specific AT class anymore. But giving the Engineers full on M4 Carbines and AK74's is laughable.
Nah.  At range, ACOG Assault owns Engineers.  I'm sure it'll be more so on more open maps.
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5745|Ventura, California
Well, a lot of BF2's problems were fixed in BF2142, or not necessarily fixed but changed.

BF2142 had shoulder-fired AA that was fire-and-forget. It took two shots to take an aircraft down with them, yet I rarely saw them used despite how the gunships still owned the battlefield.

I used the BC2 SCAR-L + ACOG to fight as an assault class, and I still had an RPG/CG/AT4. I did quite well with the SCAR-L. I don't see a problem with giving engineers carbines or smaller assault rifles in BF3.


krazed wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Why is there a Bad Company style respawn system?
because it works and people are used to it now?

-Sh1fty- wrote:

The guns sound like BB guns
they sound about like i expect them to in a VIDEOGAME, but they can and should be "beefed" up a bit?
Let me rephrase what you're saying in the first sentence. "I don't want the guns to sound cool (real) because this is a video game." What the hell Crazed?

You don't think sound effects like this would be abso-freaking-lutely amazing in BF3?



You would take vanilla over the moded sounds? What the hell is wrong with you? How could you not want a firefight to sound like this?



You're nuts, fking nuts.

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2011-08-01 16:38:26)

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menzo
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+616|6717|Amsterdam‫

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Well, a lot of BF2's problems were fixed in BF2142, or not necessarily fixed but changed.

BF2142 had shoulder-fired AA that was fire-and-forget. It took two shots to take an aircraft down with them, yet I rarely saw them used despite how the gunships still owned the battlefield.

I used the BC2 SCAR-L + ACOG to fight as an assault class, and I still had an RPG/CG/AT4. I did quite well with the SCAR-L. I don't see a problem with giving engineers carbines or smaller assault rifles in BF3.


krazed wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Why is there a Bad Company style respawn system?
because it works and people are used to it now?

-Sh1fty- wrote:

The guns sound like BB guns
they sound about like i expect them to in a VIDEOGAME, but they can and should be "beefed" up a bit?
Let me rephrase what you're saying in the first sentence. "I don't want the guns to sound cool (real) because this is a video game." What the hell Crazed?

You don't think sound effects like this would be abso-freaking-lutely amazing in BF3?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5NB8BJKLU

You would take vanilla over the moded sounds? What the hell is wrong with you? How could you not want a firefight to sound like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Si1hQaa … re=related

You're nuts, fking nuts.
but have you played the alfa?


because the sound in bf3 is the best i;ve heard in any videogame.
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6060|Catherine Black

-Sh1fty- wrote:

You don't think sound effects like this would be abso-freaking-lutely amazing in BF3?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5NB8BJKLU

You would take vanilla over the moded sounds? What the hell is wrong with you? How could you not want a firefight to sound like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Si1hQaa … re=related

You're nuts, fking nuts.
That sounds absolutely awful, it sounds realistic, yes, but not Hollywood. And let's face it, games are just interactive movies. I want to be excited in games by sound, not bored because everything sounds the same.

BC2 had the best sound engine I'd ever heard in any game, and from what I've heard BF3's going to follow suit.
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-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5745|Ventura, California
I've watched a lot of gameplay videos, same thing, I'm just not the one shooting. Unless youtube makes the sound quality poor.

Finray, how is that boring in any way, how does it sound the same in any way? Have those sounds with appropriate changes depending on your environment as BC2 and BF3 have, but make the basic sound like the real thing, cause it's awesome.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6271|Vortex Ring State

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I've watched a lot of gameplay videos, same thing, I'm just not the one shooting. Unless youtube makes the sound quality poor.

Finray, how is that boring in any way, how does it sound the same in any way? Have those sounds with appropriate changes depending on your environment as BC2 and BF3 have, but make the basic sound like the real thing, cause it's awesome.
lol no

BC2 did environment based like arma did

but

it had beefier sounds, like the real thing but different.
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6938

It's Alpha.  Sound isn't as good as BC2 right now.  I'm using a G35.
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|7081|Marathon, Florida Keys
more and more gameplay movies i watch the less i look forward to this game. I don't even want to buy a computer anymore.
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SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6931|The darkside of Denver
I'm sorry, but the sounds is actually very good.  I would attribute it to youtube shite quality.  On a great system is sounds like the real deal.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6682|'Murka

I agree. Didn't have any issues with the sound. Probably one of the few things I didn't have issues with in the alpha, tbh.
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SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6931|The darkside of Denver

FEOS wrote:

I agree. Didn't have any issues with the sound. Probably one of the few things I didn't have issues with in the alpha, tbh.
Yea, the game needs work.  Hopefully they listen to all the legitimate feedback on the forums.
gurdeep
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+812|5026|proll­y

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

more and more gameplay movies i watch the less i look forward to this game. I don't even want to buy a computer anymore.
if youre going to spend 1k on a computer just for bf3, save your money
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+564|6985|Purplicious Wisconsin

DUnlimited wrote:

War Man wrote:

Roc18 wrote:


Yeah I agree, nothing will be as epic as BF2 tbh. But I have some hope for BF3 being a decent game.
1942 was the most epic of the battlefields, 2142 is second.
you were shit at bf2, your opinion is invalid
I was good. 2142 stole my bf2 time.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Roc18
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+655|6062|PROLLLY PROLLLY PROLLLY

coolstorybro wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

more and more gameplay movies i watch the less i look forward to this game. I don't even want to buy a computer anymore.
if youre going to spend 1k on a computer just for bf3, save your money
This, unless you're rich and can afford it.
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,742|7008|Cinncinatti
I can barely play bf2 anymore :'(
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gurdeep
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+812|5026|proll­y

RTHKI wrote:

I can barely play bf2 anymore :'(
what are ur specs
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,742|7008|Cinncinatti
pentium 4
nvidia 7800
3gb ram
^^^ can run fine but the thing takes forever to startup...and load bf2

and a basic dell laptop. used to be fine on all low now its sloww after a few minutes

Last edited by RTHKI (2011-08-01 21:12:16)

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gurdeep
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+812|5026|proll­y
og status with the pentium 4
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5745|Ventura, California
I'm not saying the sound is poor. My only issue with sound is that the guns don't sound real (read: menacing or scary) enough.
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