No shit, I made that argument a dozen times on this forum for various things. It just seems you threw that out there rather than argue against any of the points DF posted.Jay wrote:
Sure it does. What works for a nation of 21 million would not necessarily work for a nation of 350 million.Macbeth wrote:
That has nothing do with this topic.Jay wrote:
Also, your country has roughly the same population as my State.
I'm not arguing with a wikipedia article. If he wants to come up with his own argument, I'll argue against that. He clearly doesn't understand his own viewpoint so me expending any energy in reply would be a waste of my time.Macbeth wrote:
No shit, I made that argument a dozen times on this forum for various things. It just seems you threw that out there rather than argue against any of the points DF posted.Jay wrote:
Sure it does. What works for a nation of 21 million would not necessarily work for a nation of 350 million.Macbeth wrote:
That has nothing do with this topic.
I disagree.Jay wrote:
I'm fine with the current system. It's broken in a lovely way where nothing gets done for years at a time. Considering everything that comes out of Washington is a steaming pile of dung, we as a country are better off that way. Lord help us if the system was ever streamlined to 'make it work'.
No, I've seen arguments to dispose of the supermajority necessary to override a filibuster, among other crap. You can't add more parties, that has to come from the bottom, not the top. The problem with third parties is that they are always co-opted and absorbed into the other two, mostly because their limited agendas allow it to happen easily. Anti-tax party forming? Republicans to the rescue. Etc.13rin wrote:
hmmm.. So 'stream lining' would be to add more parties?
What legislation that has passed in the past ten years do you like?Macbeth wrote:
I disagree.Jay wrote:
I'm fine with the current system. It's broken in a lovely way where nothing gets done for years at a time. Considering everything that comes out of Washington is a steaming pile of dung, we as a country are better off that way. Lord help us if the system was ever streamlined to 'make it work'.
It legitimises the government, which is good for effective govt, and ensures the govt is truly representative of the peoples wishes - whoever and whatever they are.Jay wrote:
I'm not arguing with a wikipedia article. If he wants to come up with his own argument, I'll argue against that. He clearly doesn't understand his own viewpoint so me expending any energy in reply would be a waste of my time.Macbeth wrote:
No shit, I made that argument a dozen times on this forum for various things. It just seems you threw that out there rather than argue against any of the points DF posted.Jay wrote:
Sure it does. What works for a nation of 21 million would not necessarily work for a nation of 350 million.
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Your post doesn't make any sense.JahManRed wrote:
It amazes me that governments continue to stick with the current unrestricted capitalist model. It clearly isn't working.
More people rent in Germany than anywhere else in Europe. In fact their are more renters than owner occupiers. The same country who's economy is keeping whole Euro Zone afloat. The same country who's economy is growing faster than the USA and UK's. So lets not copy this successful model, lets do the opposite and strong arm people into buying stuff they cant afford. Sorry, but this is sub prime mortgages on crack.
So after the biggest abuse of the mortgage system ever, the proposal is to force people into borrowing and buying a house so you are effectively a full citizen. Borrow above your means, get the vote. Cant pay your mortgage because you loose your job because the company you work for laid you off because they cant compete with China on the free market and you have your right to vote taken away?
The banks wont give out a mortgage without huge deposits. So this means only a certain section of the country who have enough money can vote. Then they continue to vote in whoever promises to make the rich richer and fuck everyone else.
This tea party really are a bunch of fucking nut jobs. They might as well go take a dump and wipe their arses with the constitution.
It made sense, you just didn't get it.Jay wrote:
Your post doesn't make any sense.JahManRed wrote:
It amazes me that governments continue to stick with the current unrestricted capitalist model. It clearly isn't working.
More people rent in Germany than anywhere else in Europe. In fact their are more renters than owner occupiers. The same country who's economy is keeping whole Euro Zone afloat. The same country who's economy is growing faster than the USA and UK's. So lets not copy this successful model, lets do the opposite and strong arm people into buying stuff they cant afford. Sorry, but this is sub prime mortgages on crack.
So after the biggest abuse of the mortgage system ever, the proposal is to force people into borrowing and buying a house so you are effectively a full citizen. Borrow above your means, get the vote. Cant pay your mortgage because you loose your job because the company you work for laid you off because they cant compete with China on the free market and you have your right to vote taken away?
The banks wont give out a mortgage without huge deposits. So this means only a certain section of the country who have enough money can vote. Then they continue to vote in whoever promises to make the rich richer and fuck everyone else.
This tea party really are a bunch of fucking nut jobs. They might as well go take a dump and wipe their arses with the constitution.
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-07-28 05:33:14)
How so?Jay wrote:
Your post doesn't make any sense.JahManRed wrote:
It amazes me that governments continue to stick with the current unrestricted capitalist model. It clearly isn't working.
More people rent in Germany than anywhere else in Europe. In fact their are more renters than owner occupiers. The same country who's economy is keeping whole Euro Zone afloat. The same country who's economy is growing faster than the USA and UK's. So lets not copy this successful model, lets do the opposite and strong arm people into buying stuff they cant afford. Sorry, but this is sub prime mortgages on crack.
So after the biggest abuse of the mortgage system ever, the proposal is to force people into borrowing and buying a house so you are effectively a full citizen. Borrow above your means, get the vote. Cant pay your mortgage because you loose your job because the company you work for laid you off because they cant compete with China on the free market and you have your right to vote taken away?
The banks wont give out a mortgage without huge deposits. So this means only a certain section of the country who have enough money can vote. Then they continue to vote in whoever promises to make the rich richer and fuck everyone else.
This tea party really are a bunch of fucking nut jobs. They might as well go take a dump and wipe their arses with the constitution.
Because home ownership rates in Germany have nothing at all to do with their economic model. Nor does it have anything at all to do with ours. Good for them, they have more renters. They also have more people (593) per square mile than the US does (83). People in cities rent, they do not own. More people in Germany live in cities than do Americans. Thus, the argument is invalid.Spark wrote:
How so?Jay wrote:
Your post doesn't make any sense.JahManRed wrote:
It amazes me that governments continue to stick with the current unrestricted capitalist model. It clearly isn't working.
More people rent in Germany than anywhere else in Europe. In fact their are more renters than owner occupiers. The same country who's economy is keeping whole Euro Zone afloat. The same country who's economy is growing faster than the USA and UK's. So lets not copy this successful model, lets do the opposite and strong arm people into buying stuff they cant afford. Sorry, but this is sub prime mortgages on crack.
So after the biggest abuse of the mortgage system ever, the proposal is to force people into borrowing and buying a house so you are effectively a full citizen. Borrow above your means, get the vote. Cant pay your mortgage because you loose your job because the company you work for laid you off because they cant compete with China on the free market and you have your right to vote taken away?
The banks wont give out a mortgage without huge deposits. So this means only a certain section of the country who have enough money can vote. Then they continue to vote in whoever promises to make the rich richer and fuck everyone else.
This tea party really are a bunch of fucking nut jobs. They might as well go take a dump and wipe their arses with the constitution.
Last edited by Narupug (2011-07-28 19:47:34)
