This.presidentsheep wrote:
Apparently he's going to spend his entire life in prison, Norway has a rule where if they believe that he still poses a danger to society after 21 years he can be retained indefinitely.
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They are not outraged at the max sentence he is facing?Jenspm wrote:
This.presidentsheep wrote:
Apparently he's going to spend his entire life in prison, Norway has a rule where if they believe that he still poses a danger to society after 21 years he can be retained indefinitely.
And to answer your question lowing: no, and no.
It's not a max sentence. It's a minimum sentence. He'll be in prison for 21 years, and then he'll be reevaluated every 5 years. With this guy, I can't see him being deemed to be ready to enter society again, and he himself expects to be in prison for life.lowing wrote:
They are not outraged at the max sentence he is facing?Jenspm wrote:
This.presidentsheep wrote:
Apparently he's going to spend his entire life in prison, Norway has a rule where if they believe that he still poses a danger to society after 21 years he can be retained indefinitely.
And to answer your question lowing: no, and no.
Summarizes my own observations nicely.presidentsheep wrote:
Actually you don't know what he will get, he has not been tried and sentenced yet. From what has been posted he could get anything from freedom UP TO 21 years.Jenspm wrote:
It's not a max sentence. It's a minimum sentence. He'll be in prison for 21 years, and then he'll be reevaluated every 5 years. With this guy, I can't see him being deemed to be ready to enter society again, and he himself expects to be in prison for life.lowing wrote:
They are not outraged at the max sentence he is facing?Jenspm wrote:
This.
And to answer your question lowing: no, and no.
Just FYI, in the US you either get community service or the death sentencelowing wrote:
Actually you don't know what he will get, he has not been tried and sentenced yet. From what has been posted he could get anything from freedom UP TO 21 years.Jenspm wrote:
It's not a max sentence. It's a minimum sentence. He'll be in prison for 21 years, and then he'll be reevaluated every 5 years. With this guy, I can't see him being deemed to be ready to enter society again, and he himself expects to be in prison for life.lowing wrote:
They are not outraged at the max sentence he is facing?
*UP TO A MINIMUM OF 21 yearslowing wrote:
Actually you don't know what he will get, he has not been tried and sentenced yet. From what has been posted he could get anything from freedom UP TO 21 years.Jenspm wrote:
It's not a max sentence. It's a minimum sentence. He'll be in prison for 21 years, and then he'll be reevaluated every 5 years. With this guy, I can't see him being deemed to be ready to enter society again, and he himself expects to be in prison for life.lowing wrote:
They are not outraged at the max sentence he is facing?
how so? There was no pre-judgement, there was only a logical and rational assumption this was an Islamic terrorist attack. Once it was discovered it was not, I don't recall anyone changing their mind and all of a sudden was over come with understanding justifications and rationalizing this attack.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Summarizes my own observations nicely.presidentsheep wrote:
oh did I misunderstand? I thought it was posted that the max this guy could get was 21 years. My apologies.Hallvard wrote:
*UP TO A MINIMUM OF 21 yearslowing wrote:
Actually you don't know what he will get, he has not been tried and sentenced yet. From what has been posted he could get anything from freedom UP TO 21 years.Jenspm wrote:
It's not a max sentence. It's a minimum sentence. He'll be in prison for 21 years, and then he'll be reevaluated every 5 years. With this guy, I can't see him being deemed to be ready to enter society again, and he himself expects to be in prison for life.
In theory, based on the law.
You see, we have laws here. And believe it or not, but we actually follow those laws.
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International media has been getting it trés wrong, sadlylowing wrote:
oh did I misunderstand? I thought it was posted that the max this guy could get was 21 years. My apologies.Hallvard wrote:
*UP TO A MINIMUM OF 21 yearslowing wrote:
Actually you don't know what he will get, he has not been tried and sentenced yet. From what has been posted he could get anything from freedom UP TO 21 years.
In theory, based on the law.
You see, we have laws here. And believe it or not, but we actually follow those laws.
Logical? Pfft. Why should I even bother countering that. I've gone from seeing people rant at Islamic extremism in the first couple of days of this media wildfire to being anything from resentful at having to stand corrected, to rendering placating excuses in this guy's favor, to STILL ranting about Islamic extremism.lowing wrote:
how so? There was no pre-judgement, there was only a logical and rational assumption this was an Islamic terrorist attack. Once it was discovered it was not, I don't recall anyone changing their mind and all of a sudden was over come with understanding justifications and rationalizing this attack.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Summarizes my own observations nicely.presidentsheep wrote:
People are still outraged ( except in Norway) as to what this guy did and they still want him to pay for it with some real punishment. ( except in Norway).
The ranting about Islamic extremism is logical, lets face it odds were that is exactly what it was. Never saw anyone being resentful for being wrong about that, and I never saw anyone making excuses for this. OS the question still stands, what pre-judgement?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Logical? Pfft. Why should I even bother countering that. I've gone from seeing people rant at Islamic extremism in the first couple of days of this media wildfire to being anything from resentful at having to stand corrected, to rendering placating excuses in this guy's favor, to STILL ranting about Islamic extremism.lowing wrote:
how so? There was no pre-judgement, there was only a logical and rational assumption this was an Islamic terrorist attack. Once it was discovered it was not, I don't recall anyone changing their mind and all of a sudden was over come with understanding justifications and rationalizing this attack.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Summarizes my own observations nicely.
People are still outraged ( except in Norway) as to what this guy did and they still want him to pay for it with some real punishment. ( except in Norway).
That is fine, however, he has not been tried yet, so he might not even get 21 years. Kinda putting the cart before the horse here.presidentsheep wrote:
It seems to be (as usual correct me if i'm wrong) that the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, with exceptions for cases such as this that if the offender is found unfit to re-enter society after this amount of time than they will continue to be imprisoned.
Because that is our longest prison sentence. However, there are two different kinds of sentences - the general one (where 21 is the maximum, and you can be released earlier as well), and the minimum sentence (where the sentence is minimum 21 years, and it can be extended by five years at a time forever). He will get the latter.lowing wrote:
http://in.news.yahoo.com/norway-killing-suspect-may-21-years-jail-001357807.html
"The person suspected of carrying out terrorist attacks in Norway will be charged for terrorist activity, while the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, Norway police said Saturday."
Then why is everyone saying the max is 21 years?
Don't we need to see how the trial and sentencing goes first?Jenspm wrote:
Because that is our longest prison sentence. However, there are two different kinds of sentences - the general one (where 21 is the maximum, and you can be released earlier as well), and the minimum sentence (where the sentence is minimum 21 years, and it can be extended by five years at a time forever). He will get the latter.lowing wrote:
http://in.news.yahoo.com/norway-killing-suspect-may-21-years-jail-001357807.html
"The person suspected of carrying out terrorist attacks in Norway will be charged for terrorist activity, while the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, Norway police said Saturday."
Then why is everyone saying the max is 21 years?
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"What Earth? I see no Earth."lowing wrote:
the question still stands, what pre-judgement?
If there was any pre-judgement it was those that decided this guys motives and condemned right wing Christians for it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
"What Earth? I see no Earth."lowing wrote:
the question still stands, what pre-judgement?
