BF2S Forums Inmate hunger strike

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Already did, we have too much freedom, govt. should reel us in like they do in Europe. We have too much shit, we should spread it around like you do in Europe. We should move back into the city where the govt. can better serve us, like you do in Europe. Did I miss anything?

You forgot to blame Mexicans again.

Did I say mexicans, I said illegal aliens, if they happen to be mexican then so be it. Glad we agree on the other solutions though.

I agree with lowing, we should immediately execute with 25% of the prison population, and let's start with the Mexicans.

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

I'm sorry, but unless you've been living under a rock, "how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?" is clearly pointing to the economic crash that has been In The News These Days.

But if you want to back-track and act like you meant the rising crime rate since the influx of illegal immigrants in the 1990s all along, and were never referring to their economic issues, go for it. lol.

You mention greece, living in greece apparently sucks these days since the govt. can't hold them close like they are used to. Crime is going up, and so is illegal immigration, and that is tied together. So whatever you wanna discuss about Greece. GO ahead.

actually your greek website that you quoted said EXACTLY that the crime rate going up is because of DRUGS TRAFFICKING to europe and NORTH AMERICA. it also said straight after your quoted sentence that greece has one of the LOWEST CONVENTIONAL CRIME RATES IN THE WORLD (even with rapidly increasing illegal immigration). do you read the websites that you rely on? you are the worst debater i have seen in this forum, hands down. blind isn't even the right word. catatonic, more like.

yup I read all that, but how far can you claim before you are no longer the lowest in the world? Again when your govt. hold you so close, why is there a need to steal from some one what you already have?

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

we invented those human rights issues you cling to. of course we don't deport them. your assumptions are hideous and always poorly educated. this is straying from the topic at hand anyway: you cannot blame america's high incarceration rates on illegal immigrants. we all have immigration problems, yet you are by far and above the worst culprit for incarceration. please address this argument without straying off.

Already did, we have more, so we have more to take. We do not all have the same shit, some have more some have less, the envy factor thus comes into play. We have more freedom, and less govt. hand holding. In other words, we so not have such a strict baby sitter. Our boarders are practically non-exisitent, and I guess we do not have our govt. telling us we need to live close so they can provide for us better, and keep a closer eye on us.

i'm sorry but at which point are you going from "we have more freedom" to "we have the highest population of adults in prison in the world". and don't talk about "we have more people" - the figures are PER THOUSAND PEOPLE, as in a proportion comparable to any other european nation. and yeah i bet your borders are so much more difficult to police than the entire meditteranean sea, right? and lol at the last point. you are a fucking moron. an utter fucking moron. we've already spent the last 4 pages kindly telling you why you misunderstand (or possibly cannot grasp) the idea of 'personal responsibility' when it comes to building in the middle of nowhere and bills costing more. what's that got to do with your prison rates again?

Already said several times, our govt. does not coddle us like your does, we have a wide range of haves and have nots. When you do not all have the same shit, people tend to want what they do not have, who wants to rob a 800 sq ft flat when there is a 4000 sq ft house full of shit to rob?

Uzique wrote:

lowing this is the most incredibly bullshit argument i think you have ever come across. so here in socialist countries we all live in one big happy commune where everything is shared and big brother watches over all of our actions, anyway... so there's no crime? or we're all brainwashed by socialist propaganda so that we never want to steal from or murder a neighbour? have you been reading glenn beck recently? and are you still taking your medication?

Well, lets see, every square inch of your daily movements is being watched by your govt. and isn't that what you are saying? You have low crime, so you are doing something right? You must all be happy as fuck then. Or you do not have anything worth taking.

Tell you what, lets reverse this, instead of you telling me to explain ll of this. How about you explain it? You tell me why you think we have high crime compared to you.

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

lowing this is the most incredibly bullshit argument i think you have ever come across. so here in socialist countries we all live in one big happy commune where everything is shared and big brother watches over all of our actions, anyway... so there's no crime? or we're all brainwashed by socialist propaganda so that we never want to steal from or murder a neighbour? have you been reading glenn beck recently? and are you still taking your medication?

Well, lets see, every square inch of your daily movements is being watched by your govt. and isn't that what you are saying? You have low crime, so you are doing something right? You must all be happy as fuck then. Or you do not have anything worth taking.

outside of the major urban spaces, "being watched" is a press myth. a convenient one for you. i live in the countryside. the only time i'm ever on cctv is when i go to a petrol station or take money out of a bank. let me know if you find that a little too 'big brother' for you.

lowing wrote:

Look up the new immigration laws for states like Arizona and get caught up.

U.S. federal law requires aliens 14 years old or older who are in the country for longer than 30 days to register with the U.S. government[6] and have registration documents in their possession at all times.[7] The Act makes it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents

In Nazi Germany they had a law where Jews had to have their documents in their possession at all times and to wear a star otherwise they were arrested.

Read into that what you will but its not a very good advert for freedom is it?

Arizona is the first state with such a law as the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.[29] Prior law in Arizona, and the law in most other states, does not mandate that law enforcement personnel ask about the immigration status of those they encounter.[30] Many police departments discourage such inquiries to avoid deterring immigrants from reporting crimes and cooperating in other investigations

Huh what, police choosing not to punish crime so that they can prevent larger numbers of crime occurring? WHAT !

Whether illegal immigrants commit a disproportionate number of crimes is uncertain, with different authorities and academics claiming that the rate for this group was the same, greater, or less than that of the overall population.[32] Perception bias leads many on both sides of the debate to reject, not recognize, or rationalize crime rate statistics.

WHAT!? There is no agreement as to whether little green men commit the majority of crimes? But surely that cant be true? Of course there is agreement, its obvious right?

The killing of 58-year-old Robert Krentz and his dog, shot on March 27, 2010, while doing fence work on his large ranch roughly 19 miles (31 km) from the Mexican border, gave a tangible public face to fears about immigration-related crime.[32][45] Arizona police were not able to name a murder suspect but traced a set of footprints from the crime scene south towards the border, and the resulting speculation that the killer was an illegal alien increased support among the public for the measure.

The police couldnt find a killer but it must be an illegal immigrant. The resulting SPECULATION increased support for the bill. Hmm that sounds like the manipulation you keep going on about.

McCain said on The O'Reilly Factor: "It's the drivers of cars with illegals in it that are intentionally causing accidents on the freeway. Look, our border is not secured. Our citizens are not safe."

Why do illegals (who dont want to be caught) deliberately cause accidents? It may well happen but I dont understand the logic?

The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police criticized the legislation, calling the provisions of the bill "problematic" and expressing that it will negatively affect the ability of law enforcement agencies across the state to fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner.[95] Additionally, some officers have repeated the past concern that illegal immigrants may come to fear the police and not contact them in situations of emergency or in instances where they have valuable knowledge of a crime

What the hell do they know? Damn police with their socialist "lets prevent / solve crime" ideology.

The other states along the Mexican border – Texas, New Mexico, and California – generally showed little interest in following Arizona's path.[31] This was due to their having established, powerful Hispanic communities, deep cultural ties to Mexico, past experience with bruising political battles over the issue (such as with California Proposition 187 in the 1990s), and the perception among their populations that illegal immigration was less severe a problem.

FUUUUU damn liberal Texans !!

Some women with questionable immigration status have been avoiding domestic abuse hotlines and shelters for fear of deportation.[177] Some critics of SB 1070 fear that it will serve as a roadblock to victims getting needed support, while supporters say such concerns are unfounded and that the Act is directed towards criminals, not victims.[178]

It doesnt matter if they are victims of domestic abuse because they dont deserve to be in USA anyway right? Its not a crime if you do it to an illegal right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

Wiki as I know you like it

I think this post is probably long enough now especially as you will ignore all of the pertinent parts (like you do on the sources you quote).

Uzique wrote:

the exact problem here, lowing, isn't CRIME RATES. we have high crime rates here too. the problem is INCARCERATION rates. with all of your "freedom", your draconian laws (particularly the '3 strikes and you're out' type rules) put far more people in prison, for minor offences. we have lots of crime in europe, too, believe it or not... we're not all under some authoritarian brainwashed regime, nor are we all happy neighbours tilling the fields together and sharing property like the good anarcho-syndicalists you think we are. we still have lots of crime. alarming levels of crime in some areas. the difference is that our justice system's answer isn't to throw someone in jail for possession of $20 of weed. our judges won't sentence you to 20 years for being in 3 minor altercations in a 5 year period in the same city. in america, you throw people in jail all the time for minor and dismissable offences. this is where your "freedom" is a very sad and twisted joke. you have an extremely severe and strict legal system.

The 3 strikes is a California Law.  They're a way liberal state (however Florida as a 10, 20, life gun law).  Most incarcerations though are for drugs, I believe.  You are right, mandatory sentencing guidelines aren't helping, in fact they're clogging the prisons.   Unfortunately,  no politician will stand up and say, "enough.  We're going about this the wrong way and we need to back off a bit."  They would be eaten alive next election cycle on that soundbite alone, painted as being soft on drugs.  Worse yet, the MADD/insert any anit-drug politician here has a relatively easy time in ramping up penalties as no one wants to go on record voting against these overly punitive measures (same reason as before).  Product of putting the wrong people in office, those politicians build an image of themselves while hurting their citizens.

and yet lowing argues the problem is prison sentences are too short.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Look up the new immigration laws for states like Arizona and get caught up.

U.S. federal law requires aliens 14 years old or older who are in the country for longer than 30 days to register with the U.S. government[6] and have registration documents in their possession at all times.[7] The Act makes it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents

In Nazi Germany they had a law where Jews had to have their documents in their possession at all times and to wear a star otherwise they were arrested.

Read into that what you will but its not a very good advert for freedom is it?

Arizona is the first state with such a law as the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.[29] Prior law in Arizona, and the law in most other states, does not mandate that law enforcement personnel ask about the immigration status of those they encounter.[30] Many police departments discourage such inquiries to avoid deterring immigrants from reporting crimes and cooperating in other investigations

Huh what, police choosing not to punish crime so that they can prevent larger numbers of crime occurring? WHAT !

Whether illegal immigrants commit a disproportionate number of crimes is uncertain, with different authorities and academics claiming that the rate for this group was the same, greater, or less than that of the overall population.[32] Perception bias leads many on both sides of the debate to reject, not recognize, or rationalize crime rate statistics.

WHAT!? There is no agreement as to whether little green men commit the majority of crimes? But surely that cant be true? Of course there is agreement, its obvious right?

The killing of 58-year-old Robert Krentz and his dog, shot on March 27, 2010, while doing fence work on his large ranch roughly 19 miles (31 km) from the Mexican border, gave a tangible public face to fears about immigration-related crime.[32][45] Arizona police were not able to name a murder suspect but traced a set of footprints from the crime scene south towards the border, and the resulting speculation that the killer was an illegal alien increased support among the public for the measure.

The police couldnt find a killer but it must be an illegal immigrant. The resulting SPECULATION increased support for the bill. Hmm that sounds like the manipulation you keep going on about.

McCain said on The O'Reilly Factor: "It's the drivers of cars with illegals in it that are intentionally causing accidents on the freeway. Look, our border is not secured. Our citizens are not safe."

Why do illegals (who dont want to be caught) deliberately cause accidents? It may well happen but I dont understand the logic?

The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police criticized the legislation, calling the provisions of the bill "problematic" and expressing that it will negatively affect the ability of law enforcement agencies across the state to fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner.[95] Additionally, some officers have repeated the past concern that illegal immigrants may come to fear the police and not contact them in situations of emergency or in instances where they have valuable knowledge of a crime

What the hell do they know? Damn police with their socialist "lets prevent / solve crime" ideology.

The other states along the Mexican border – Texas, New Mexico, and California – generally showed little interest in following Arizona's path.[31] This was due to their having established, powerful Hispanic communities, deep cultural ties to Mexico, past experience with bruising political battles over the issue (such as with California Proposition 187 in the 1990s), and the perception among their populations that illegal immigration was less severe a problem.

FUUUUU damn liberal Texans !!

Some women with questionable immigration status have been avoiding domestic abuse hotlines and shelters for fear of deportation.[177] Some critics of SB 1070 fear that it will serve as a roadblock to victims getting needed support, while supporters say such concerns are unfounded and that the Act is directed towards criminals, not victims.[178]

It doesnt matter if they are victims of domestic abuse because they dont deserve to be in USA anyway right? Its not a crime if you do it to an illegal right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

Wiki as I know you like it

I think this post is probably long enough now especially as you will ignore all of the pertinent parts (like you do on the sources you quote).

sorry, quit reading after comparing us Nazi Germany.... not interested in whatever other irrational comments you might have made.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

and yet lowing argues the problem is prison sentences are too short.

no I argue punishment is too light. Early release for crimes, college degrees, cable tv, movies, gyms, libraries etc...prison is not harsh enough. Plenty of people would rather sit in a US prison over a Mexican prison. Wonder why?

Is this another thread where the entire forum tries to educate lowing in logic, and he attacks with ignorance?

[x] yes
[  ] no

How bout you ninja, you keep asking me why the US has a higher crime rate and prison population. I gave an opinion. Now why don't you tell me why you think the US has a higher crime rate and prison problem. WHile yo are at it, tell me how you would stem the tide of illegal immigration into America tossing them into ovens

Or will do you just feel safer continuously criticizing everyone elses opinions, without offering any of your on on the topic? Like Jaekus and company does?

Last edited by lowing (2011-07-21 07:59:23)