Sarah Palin

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2011-06-19 08:59:07

#126

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

Social issues
[edit] Abortion

Cain is pro-life and opposes abortion. He believes that life begins at conception. He favors defunding Planned Parenthood.[11]
[edit] Homosexuality

Cain is against legalizing same-sex marriage.[12] He supports the Defense of Marriage Act.[13] Cain believes homosexuality is sinful and a choice.[14]

No thanks.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-06-19 09:00:20

#127

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6922|Disaster Free Zone

lowing wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:
Obama thinks there are 57 states
I somehow doubt that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

well don't.

60 is not 57.

2011-06-19 09:22:25

#128

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jay wrote:
Social issues
[edit] Abortion

Cain is pro-life and opposes abortion. He believes that life begins at conception. He favors defunding Planned Parenthood.[11]
[edit] Homosexuality

Cain is against legalizing same-sex marriage.[12] He supports the Defense of Marriage Act.[13] Cain believes homosexuality is sinful and a choice.[14]
No thanks.

Great so as long as no one can have same sex marriage, the rest of our country can go into the tank. I guess my priorities are a little different.

2011-06-19 09:27:51

#129

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

No, I just prefer Ron Paul. I hate social conservatism with a passion, especially since it's all Republican voters really care about. They'll gladly vote for a socialist as long as he sings the praises of his god.

2011-06-19 09:30:32

#130

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5419|Sydney

lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Yeah just like you agree Obama is a retard as well...ok got it.
For the second time, I never mentioned Obama.

Until you can challenge any of the points made regarding Palin's stupidity (which you have so far avoided) we all agree she is a dunce and we can move on.

I'm glad that's all cleared up. Night lads.
I can't, she has said some stupid things, point is, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER politicians. Your opinion that she somehow stands out compared to others like Obama is inconsistent with your reasoning as to why one should not vote for her. Under your reasoning, no one should vote for ANYONE.

Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.

2011-06-19 09:32:35

#131

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:

For the second time, I never mentioned Obama.

Until you can challenge any of the points made regarding Palin's stupidity (which you have so far avoided) we all agree she is a dunce and we can move on.

I'm glad that's all cleared up. Night lads.
I can't, she has said some stupid things, point is, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER politicians. Your opinion that she somehow stands out compared to others like Obama is inconsistent with your reasoning as to why one should not vote for her. Under your reasoning, no one should vote for ANYONE.
Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.

Biden.

2011-06-19 09:33:55

#132

13rin: Member; +977|6720

Jay wrote:
So you think the University of Idaho is comparable to Harvard in terms of education?

No, I don't (combined with the many transfers), but the use of uneducated hick is a bit harsh. Some of the stupidest things I've heard have come from the mouths of people who have hung very expensive pieces of paper of their walls. I can't say I would support a Palin 2012 run, as I think she'd make a better kingmaker than candidate. However, I'm just a voter; who wouldn't vote for her as POTUS.

It's interesting to read this thread and compile the reasons why those don't like her. Apparently she's 'retarded'.

Ty seemed to gather most of the reasons in his post a few pages back. Apparently it is a Christian thing... If she was a Jew, at this point Ty would be anti-Semite. I'm not sure how many of the bullet points he posted are true, (the few I looked at weren't) but it didn't matter as Palin had to spend her time defending herself instead of running. The media could have easily 'crucified' the bamster on any of his missteps and flubs thought the campaign trail, but for some odd soroseque reason, didn't. Funny as both candidates had them, regardless of caliber of education. 57 states from a Harvard grad? The media couldn't go after the war vet so they went after the VP candidate. Palin got way more of a spotlight then Biden, and I honestly think she'd a done an equal or better job than he's done in that position.

My point is that the media was pissed at Bush for shrugging them off. They proved that point in this last presidential election about how 'important' they deem themselves. I find the media even more pathetic now than ever as the current administration has literally gone across the street to hide meetings and has done/continues to employ shenanigans to shut them out. But the lap dog just rolls over. Imagine if Bush had done anything like that. I do admire Palin for how she's treating the press. She knows they will never like her regardless of what she does or says. So she's basically said 'fuck em'. So they keep on trying to hang her at every stop, inflating every misstep and twisting quoted sound bites. And Ty will continue to believe crap like the SNL skits sells 'I can see Russia from my house' and the media stories like the 'Africa is a continent' rumors about her; and so too will the majority of the people out there who are moderate and lean left. If I were Palin? Alaska is looking pretty good and I love Kodiak Island. I'd go be Mayor there.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2011-06-19 09:34:02

#133

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5419|Sydney

Jay wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:

I can't, she has said some stupid things, point is, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER politicians. Your opinion that she somehow stands out compared to others like Obama is inconsistent with your reasoning as to why one should not vote for her. Under your reasoning, no one should vote for ANYONE.
Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.
Biden.

Forgotten about him

2011-06-19 09:39:50

#134

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

13rin wrote:
Jay wrote:
So you think the University of Idaho is comparable to Harvard in terms of education?
No, I don't (combined with the many transfers), but the use of uneducated hick is a bit harsh. Some of the stupidest things I've heard have come from the mouths of people who have hung very expensive pieces of paper of their walls. I can't say I would support a Palin 2012 run, as I think she'd make a better kingmaker than candidate. However, I'm just a voter; who wouldn't vote for her as POTUS.

It's interesting to read this thread and compile the reasons why those don't like her. Apparently she's 'retarded'.

Ty seemed to gather most of the reasons in his post a few pages back. Apparently it is a Christian thing... If she was a Jew, at this point Ty would be anti-Semite. I'm not sure how many of the bullet points he posted are true, (the few I looked at weren't) but it didn't matter as Palin had to spend her time defending herself instead of running. The media could have easily 'crucified' the bamster on any of his missteps and flubs thought the campaign trail, but for some odd soroseque reason, didn't. Funny as both candidates had them, regardless of caliber of education. 57 states from a Harvard grad? The media couldn't go after the war vet so they went after the VP candidate. Palin got way more of a spotlight then Biden, and I honestly think she'd a done an equal or better job than he's done in that position.

My point is that the media was pissed at Bush for shrugging them off. They proved that point in this last presidential election about how 'important' they deem themselves. I find the media even more pathetic now than ever as the current administration has literally gone across the street to hide meetings and has done/continues to employ shenanigans to shut them out. But the lap dog just rolls over. Imagine if Bush had done anything like that. I do admire Palin for how she's treating the press. She knows they will never like her regardless of what she does or says. So she's basically said 'fuck em'. So they keep on trying to hang her at every stop, inflating every misstep and twisting quoted sound bites. And Ty will continue to believe crap like the SNL skits sells 'I can see Russia from my house' and the media stories like the 'Africa is a continent' rumors about her; and so too will the majority of the people out there who are moderate and lean left. If I were Palin? Alaska is looking pretty good and I love Kodiak Island. I'd go be Mayor there.

You're confusing me for someone that actually watches the news. I don't. I couldn't care less about national politics. I'm not a member of either team so it bores the shit out of me. I did watch part of the New Hampshire debate and all I came away with is that Mitt Romney is a total sleezeball preening ass. I have no horse in this race other than a firm conviction about what I believe and what I'm willing to give up when voting for a candidate. And, when it comes down to it, my vote doesn't mean shit anyway. New York will vote for Obama with or without me.

My opinion of Palin is based on what she showed in the election, the fact that she quit her job as governor, and the two episodes of Sarah Palin's Alaska that I watched. She's an idiot. I don't want some hokey down to earth mom that 'I can relate to'. I want an intelligent, strong President with a firm grasp of the mathematics of our current debt issues who isn't going to go out of his way to shit on the usual groups of people that bigots like to kick to make themselves feel better.

Last edited by Jay (2011-06-19 09:42:56)

2011-06-19 09:40:37

#135

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
For the second time, I never mentioned Obama.

Until you can challenge any of the points made regarding Palin's stupidity (which you have so far avoided) we all agree she is a dunce and we can move on.

I'm glad that's all cleared up. Night lads.
I can't, she has said some stupid things, point is, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER politicians. Your opinion that she somehow stands out compared to others like Obama is inconsistent with your reasoning as to why one should not vote for her. Under your reasoning, no one should vote for ANYONE.
Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.

Sorry, but for a media that clearly hates her, if she was as 'retarded" as any other politician, they would be able to write about more than her clothes or her family. As it is, they can't.

and yes she has said stupid things... Obama however has said and DONE stupid things. Where is your outrage?

Last edited by lowing (2011-06-19 09:41:20)

2011-06-19 09:41:37

#136

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5419|Sydney

Continue to avoid the topic, see if I care.

2011-06-19 09:44:43

#137

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
I can't, she has said some stupid things, point is, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER politicians. Your opinion that she somehow stands out compared to others like Obama is inconsistent with your reasoning as to why one should not vote for her. Under your reasoning, no one should vote for ANYONE.
Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.
Sorry, but for a media that clearly hates her, if she was as 'retarded" as any other politician, they would be able to write about more than her clothes or her family. As it is, they can't.

and yes she has said stupid things... Obama however has said and DONE stupid things. Where is your outrage?

The media hates her? They gave her her own fucking show on Discovery Channel and she still came across as a buffoon. How much more hand holding do you think she needs to change her image away from being a moron? She had access to the editing!

And what you (and to a lesser extent, Brinson) seem unable to grasp is that a persons intelligence is not tied up in their beliefs. I can argue with an intelligent, articulate, socialist all day long and still respect their intelligence even though we don't agree. It's generally not a persons ideas that are important, it's how they arrived at them. If they've put the effort in to actually understand the view point then I give them all the credit in the world. If it's someone that just knows a few catch phrases and has no real understanding, it's obvious and those are the people that should rightfully be called morons. Obama is intelligent because, while I don't agree with him, he does understand the core of his beliefs. Palin knows a few catch phrases but is utterly shallow and not fit for the job of POTUS.

Last edited by Jay (2011-06-19 09:49:05)

2011-06-19 09:48:16

#138

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jaekus wrote:
Continue to avoid the topic, see if I care.

Look, the issue is your loathing of stupidity in politics...Yes Palin qualifies, but right next to every other dipshit in office now, or in his cabinet. There is no difference.

If you want real stupidity, go for those that listed their reasons for hating Bush, and had to have Obama, then when Obama does nothing to change bush policy and in fact increases them, praises him.

Point is, Palin is no better or worse than anyone else in the political limelight right now, yet, you want to single her out as if she hold the "retarded" title exclusively.

2011-06-19 09:50:33

#139

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jay wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.
Sorry, but for a media that clearly hates her, if she was as 'retarded" as any other politician, they would be able to write about more than her clothes or her family. As it is, they can't.

and yes she has said stupid things... Obama however has said and DONE stupid things. Where is your outrage?
The media hates her? They gave her her own fucking show on Discovery Channel and she still came across as a buffoon. How much more hand holding do you think she needs to change her image away from being a moron? She had access to the editing!

Oh I see, the media loves Sarah Palin and does nothing to try to enhance her "retarded" moniker :sorry I miss spoke

Last edited by lowing (2011-06-19 09:53:27)

2011-06-19 09:51:26

#140

13rin: Member; +977|6720

Jay wrote:
You're confusing me for someone that actually watches the news. I don't. I couldn't care less about national politics. I'm not a member of either team so it bores the shit out of me. I did watch part of the New Hampshire debate and all I came away with is that Mitt Romney is a total sleezeball preening ass. I have no horse in this race other than a firm conviction about what I believe and what I'm willing to give up when voting for a candidate. And, when it comes down to it, my vote doesn't mean shit anyway. New York will vote for Obama with or without me.

My bad... I thought you did care. I still do. I am a bit like you in the 'who will hurt me the least' and My State went the opposite direction in 2008 than I did, but oh well; I'll try again.

Jay wrote:
My opinion of Palin is based on what she showed in the election, the fact that she quit her job as governor, and the two episodes of Sarah Palin's Alaska that I watched. She's an idiot. I don't want some hokey down to earth mom that 'I can relate to'. I want an intelligent, strong President with a firm grasp of the mathematics of our current debt issues who isn't going to go out of his way to shit on the usual groups of people that bigots like to kick to make themselves feel better.

Won't argue with that as I wouldn't of resigned and haven't watched her show. I also agree with your last sentence 100%.

Last edited by 13rin (2011-06-19 09:52:06)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2011-06-19 09:52:10

#141

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jay wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:

Why do we have to tread the same ground all the time? I answered your question from earlier, isn't that enough for you to put two-and-two together? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? I'm more than happy to move on, if you're happy to not come across as being so dense.

Palin has said a lot of stupid things, more than the majority of high profile politicians. People from both sides of the political fence agree with this, as this thread is but one example. The only one that immediately comes to mind who beats her in the stupid statements department is Bush.
Sorry, but for a media that clearly hates her, if she was as 'retarded" as any other politician, they would be able to write about more than her clothes or her family. As it is, they can't.

and yes she has said stupid things... Obama however has said and DONE stupid things. Where is your outrage?
The media hates her? They gave her her own fucking show on Discovery Channel and she still came across as a buffoon. How much more hand holding do you think she needs to change her image away from being a moron? She had access to the editing!

And what you (and to a lesser extent, Brinson) seem unable to grasp is that a persons intelligence is not tied up in their beliefs. I can argue with an intelligent, articulate, socialist all day long and still respect their intelligence even though we don't agree. It's generally not a persons ideas that are important, it's how they arrived at them. If they've put the effort in to actually understand the view point then I give them all the credit in the world. If it's someone that just knows a few catch phrases and has no real understanding, it's obvious and those are the people that should rightfully be called morons. Obama is intelligent because, while I don't agree with him, he does understand the core of his beliefs. Palin knows a few catch phrases but is utterly shallow and not fit for the job of POTUS.

LOL so Palin is the puppet? got it. moving on

2011-06-19 10:04:20

#142

13rin: Member; +977|6720

Jay wrote:
And what you (and to a lesser extent, Brinson) seem unable to grasp is that a persons intelligence is not tied up in their beliefs. I can argue with an intelligent, articulate, socialist all day long and still respect their intelligence even though we don't agree. It's generally not a persons ideas that are important, it's how they arrived at them. If they've put the effort in to actually understand the view point then I give them all the credit in the world. If it's someone that just knows a few catch phrases and has no real understanding, it's obvious and those are the people that should rightfully be called morons. Obama is intelligent because, while I don't agree with him, he does understand the core of his beliefs. Palin knows a few catch phrases but is utterly shallow and not fit for the job of POTUS.

No, I understand that. But I don't know though if the media has really give Palin a chance to expound.

As to the bamster? He may be smart, but he's an ideologue that is rigid and unapologetically inflexible (how to hold the mop/sit in the back comments). I question the intelligence of one that has to use a teleprompter when addressing an elementary school class, especially when you look at his recycled canned speeches. He was just as big of a parrot as Palin. But even if the bamster was Einstein, he doesn't align with most of my core beliefs. While Palin doesn't either, she's closer to them than he is. But again, I hope she doesn't run.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2011-06-19 10:13:22

#143

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6915|Canberra, AUS

I rate intelligence above ideology tbh. Well-intentioned idiots do more damage than almost anything else.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-06-19 10:13:59

#144

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5500|foggy bottom

6 pages of replies in 10 hours. maybe she should run.

Tu Stultus Es

2011-06-19 10:14:01

#145

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5478|Cleveland, Ohio

you guys are obsessed with her. lol

2011-06-19 10:20:23

#146

13rin: Member; +977|6720

eleven bravo wrote:
6 pages of replies in 10 hours. maybe she should run.

How'd the party go?

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2011-06-19 10:21:09

#147

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5500|foggy bottom

bad

Tu Stultus Es

2011-06-19 10:22:41

#148

Blue Herring: Member; +13|5045

AussieReaper wrote:
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides."

See above for retarded comment Sarah Palin.

Creationism.

When I went to school(which was admittedly quite awhile ago), we were taught the history of the Jewish faith, Buddhist faith, a bit on Islam, Egyptian Pantheon, and ancient Greek Mythology, including their gods.

So why shouldn't Christianity be taught? I mean, hell, what's even wrong with Christianity being taught? As long as you acknowledge what you're teaching is belief of the Christian faith and not scientific doctrine then I don't see the problem. I didn't run home believing some giant snake held the word together by biting it's tail just because I learned about the Ragnarok. I don't remember parents going "woe is me, my child believes a giant serpent holds the world together!" So I don't see the problem at all.

Her idea of "debate" is somewhat silly as that would imply there's anything to debate(you can't debate faith), but I agree that having exposure to many different ideologies is a good thing.

2011-06-19 10:28:26

#149

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

Blue Herring wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides."

See above for retarded comment Sarah Palin.

Creationism.
When I went to school(which was admittedly quite awhile ago), we were taught the history of the Jewish faith, Buddhist faith, a bit on Islam, Egyptian Pantheon, and ancient Greek Mythology, including their gods.

So why shouldn't Christianity be taught? I mean, hell, what's even wrong with Christianity being taught? As long as you acknowledge what you're teaching is belief of the Christian faith and not scientific doctrine then I don't see the problem. I didn't run home believing some giant snake held the word together by biting it's tail just because I learned about the Ragnarok. I don't remember parents going "woe is me, my child believes a giant serpent holds the world together!" So I don't see the problem at all.

Her idea of "debate" is somewhat silly as that would imply there's anything to debate(you can't debate faith), but I agree that having exposure to many different ideologies is a good thing.

Mostly because there are about a hundred different sects that all believe different variations. Someone will always be offended.

It's something that should be left to parents to teach.

Last edited by Jay (2011-06-19 10:29:34)

2011-06-19 10:28:30

#150

13rin: Member; +977|6720

eleven bravo wrote:
bad

Well, as long as you didn't get arrested or beat up, then it's a win.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

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