What is this? are you actually making a argument that wherever Islam is trouble seems to follow? Ok I agree.Uzique wrote:
bottom line is this... even if the muslims were non-existent in europe, it would still be in turmoil because of our culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything that the muslim immigrants do create. bosnia? georgia? chechyna? northern ireland? spain?
how is the collateral deaths of women and children from a suicide bombing any different from the collateral deaths of women and children from air ordinance or advanced firepower? you're splitting a moral hair, here.
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um how can you be so thick? none of those conflicts had anything whatsoever to do with islam.lowing wrote:
What is this? are you actually making a argument that wherever Islam is trouble seems to follow? Ok I agree.Uzique wrote:
bottom line is this... even if the muslims were non-existent in europe, it would still be in turmoil because of our culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything that the muslim immigrants do create. bosnia? georgia? chechyna? northern ireland? spain?
i was satirising your misinformed bullshit
and you fell for it... spectacularly
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because we do not set out on a mission to kill women and children. Yes in war women and children die. However, they are not targeted. The same can not be said in the ME however.Uzique wrote:
how is the collateral deaths of women and children from a suicide bombing any different from the collateral deaths of women and children from air ordinance or advanced firepower? you're splitting a moral hair, here.
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
um.
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no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
I was being a smart ass Uzi...Uzique wrote:
um how can you be so thick? none of those conflicts had anything whatsoever to do with islam.lowing wrote:
What is this? are you actually making a argument that wherever Islam is trouble seems to follow? Ok I agree.Uzique wrote:
bottom line is this... even if the muslims were non-existent in europe, it would still be in turmoil because of our culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything that the muslim immigrants do create. bosnia? georgia? chechyna? northern ireland? spain?
i was satirising your misinformed bullshit
and you fell for it... spectacularly
last 50 years of your history and the statistics of civilian deaths say otherwise.11 Bravo wrote:
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
or do you mean you're fighting ideological wars, against faceless enemies? the women and children are incidental and not intentional?
well you could argue that islamic extremists are 'fighting' against america as an entity; against a culture; against a way of life; against a perceived threat. in that case they're not specifically or malevolently 'targetting' women and children any more than you guys were when you carpet bombed 'nam or funded the contras to kidnap, rape and torture in nicaragua.
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Were these the Islamic extremists that were so eloquently described as "family men kissing their kids goodbye while they went off to protect them and their country" in your video?Uzique wrote:
last 50 years of your history and the statistics of civilian deaths say otherwise.11 Bravo wrote:
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
or do you mean you're fighting ideological wars, against faceless enemies? the women and children are incidental and not intentional?
well you could argue that islamic extremists are 'fighting' against america as an entity; against a culture; against a way of life; against a perceived threat. in that case they're not specifically or malevolently 'targetting' women and children any more than you guys were when you carpet bombed 'nam or funded the contras to kidnap, rape and torture in nicaragua.
how about we compare the intentional civilian deaths caused by America to those of the people we were/are fighting?
the video wasn't talking about extremists, at all, for a start... he was talking about the average citizen that took up arms against the western forces. i don't know what term you'd use to designate them... the insurgency? he clearly was not talking about bomb-blowing extremists (plus he was only being rhetorical, anyway). the point of his exercise was to understand the ire and angst of even the most average and law-abiding citizen, given the recent world history and his individual experience.
and there's a fine line between 'intentional' civilian deaths and 'unintentional'. in the case of america i think turning a blind eye and purposefully being ignorant to the potential for civilian damage isn't any less contemptible. you guys fund and have carried out a lot of foreign affairs that directly endanger innocent people. just because you dress it in political smiles and nicely worded speeches, doesn't make it any better than the guys dressing it in quran quotes and shouts of allah-hu akhbar
and there's a fine line between 'intentional' civilian deaths and 'unintentional'. in the case of america i think turning a blind eye and purposefully being ignorant to the potential for civilian damage isn't any less contemptible. you guys fund and have carried out a lot of foreign affairs that directly endanger innocent people. just because you dress it in political smiles and nicely worded speeches, doesn't make it any better than the guys dressing it in quran quotes and shouts of allah-hu akhbar
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no what i am saying is i dont care what your books or profs say....i have lost friends to save civs.Uzique wrote:
last 50 years of your history and the statistics of civilian deaths say otherwise.11 Bravo wrote:
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
or do you mean you're fighting ideological wars, against faceless enemies? the women and children are incidental and not intentional?
well you could argue that islamic extremists are 'fighting' against america as an entity; against a culture; against a way of life; against a perceived threat. in that case they're not specifically or malevolently 'targetting' women and children any more than you guys were when you carpet bombed 'nam or funded the contras to kidnap, rape and torture in nicaragua.
why would my books or profs say anything? i did a liberal arts degree. my profs taught me about literature. i didn't do a politics degree.
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Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
right.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombinglowing wrote:
Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...Sorry, yes we fight, we fight wars, we fight armies, and when we fight we tend to have a reason, we do not fight innocent women and children and we certainly do not fight them because they believe differently. That is why we do not identify with themUzique wrote:
um. how is this different from anywhere else in the world? europe and north america have both been hubs for 'violence and intolerance', creating mass 'turmoil', throughout all of history. we're hardly even in a quiet-period now... there isn't 10 years without a conflict or a military operation somewhere. what makes the middle-east especially bad? perhaps the fact you don't identify with them, hence them being the dreaded 'other'?lowing wrote:
bottom line is this... Even if the US or Israel etc was non-existent in the ME, it would still be in turmoil because their culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything non-islamic creates turmoil.
speaking of bogeyman...
say that again, i dare you
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literally i respect you as a poster in general but that ranks amongst the most retarded things i have ever seen
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enniskillen_bombing
my father and pregnant mother (with me) were there when this happened; is this type of atrocitie the preserve of 'dem muslims'?
my father and pregnant mother (with me) were there when this happened; is this type of atrocitie the preserve of 'dem muslims'?
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now watch lowing defend the 'west' by making some arbitrary distinction between the americans/christians and the IRA, who are of course exceptional... whereas any form of middle-eastern terrorism or extremism isn't exceptional or a rare example, it's general and applies to everyone.
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see this shit cuts straight to the bone - my mother and father, and thus myself might not be alive were it not for the ineptitude of irish bombers. yet you single out islam as 'the issue' when this sort of behaviour is commonplace geographically and historically?
disgusting tbh
disgusting tbh
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Nah, we just lay siege to them and burn them out. It's not as bad if they're other Americans, though.lowing wrote:
Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...
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Nah, we just lay siege to them and burn them out. It's not as bad if they're other Americans, though.FatherTed wrote:
Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...
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Indeedy. At least it's not as bad as smartphone autocorrect.
Thread sucks. Change it.
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seriously lowing it is easy for you in your ivory tower to proclaim modern terrorism as the territory of muslims, when you and your immediate family have not had to live through it.
example, my father was interred in N.Ire on the basis he was a Catholic irishman for 2 months. i and my father (used to be) regularly stopped and searched within the EU for travelling as Catholic irish. When i was attending university in Belfast, we would on average have a day per fortnight where the army cordoned off the site because of a viable bomb.
so 9/11 ruled your life?
example, my father was interred in N.Ire on the basis he was a Catholic irishman for 2 months. i and my father (used to be) regularly stopped and searched within the EU for travelling as Catholic irish. When i was attending university in Belfast, we would on average have a day per fortnight where the army cordoned off the site because of a viable bomb.
so 9/11 ruled your life?
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only muslims target innocent children and women at public places teds so i don't know wtf the authorities were being so paranoid about
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